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The stats are all wacked. It used to track all my contributions. Now the stats don't make sense even if I assume it only reflects "stats of the past month". -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 23:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Mine still work. I had ~9900 before and after the new WikiaStats was introduced. Entropy Sig (T/C) 23:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Editcount says I only have 426 total edits, whereas WikiaStats say 9k+... -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 01:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Works fine for me too... Well, when I check my editcount, that is. Yours is indeed borked (Special:Editcount/PanSola). Also look at the "All Wikis" thingy. --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 18:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I've reported the issue ... someone should be able to take a look at it soon. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 23:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is a related error, but the edits shown from Special:Editcount any my Special:Preferences is different by more than 1,000 edits. Entropy Sig (T/C) 17:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

My editcount in Prefs shows 3k spot-on. Nothing on Special:Editcount matches that. So, yeah. Weird. --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 21:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Special:Editcount says I have ~18,000, with the most in any one namespace being ~6,500 in Main, while Special:Preferences says I only have ~11,000 total. Definitely confusing. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 22:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps Editcount includes deleted revisions but preferences does not? 01:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Good idea, but doesn't look like it. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 02:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Just a btw, only sysops can see deleted revisions. --Shadowcrest 02:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
This looks like it is resolved now. Does it look good to you now too? --KyleH@fandom (talk) 21:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I still see PanSola's edit count as 426 edits, not the 9000+ he has. --Shadowcrest 21:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
D'oh ... I was just looking in the right column. You're right. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 21:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
My Special:Editcount and the number displayed in my preferences has a 500 edit difference.--Gigathrash sig Gîğá†ħŕášħ 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Mine has a 400 edit difference. Also, on my editcount, it claims I have more contributions in GuildWiki than I have on all Wikias :P Seems to be missing 2 talk page edits --Gimmethegepgun 22:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm still working on this ... --KyleH@fandom (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the reassurance (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 20:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Random bump. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 01:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Javascript problems

Site Completely Un-browse able Due to Script Error.

Isk8-Script This is coming up for me on EVERY page on the wiki in Firefox2. Started a few days ago, but seeing as I haven't had any time to even use the computer, I'm just now reporting it. Anyone else having this issue? The page mostly loads, freezes for a few seconds then that pops up, and if I don't hit stop script, it will stay frozen. Really a pain in the ass. -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 19:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Turn off script debugging. Entropy Sig (T/C) 19:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
How? And how did this just start happening out of nowhere? -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 19:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm using FF2 myself, with ABP and the "Stop! Hammertime!" add-ons. Nothing is borking for me. --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 19:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Isk8-Firebug1 Isk8-Firebug2 I'm using Greasemonkey, Firebug, ABP, and a few other misc. addons. -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 19:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Apparently turning off Greasemonkey stopped it for the time being. -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 19:22, 28 September 2008


Fine for me - try noscript - and look at the scripts running and see if there is anything else that could cause errors (FYI: FF3 > FF2) RandomTime 19:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I haven't even installed FF3, I didn't know if all the addons from FF2 would work with it. -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 21:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The good majority do. But I'd still recommend you see if you can find an extra ff2 installer lying around so you can downgrade if needed.Entrea SumataeEntrea [Talk] 22:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

sidebar and top bar

These essential parts of the wiki skin refuse to show up for me unless I refresh each page several times. Sometimes IE does not even detect that there was an error. Either something siteside is broken or new Microsoft updates don't like GuildWiki. >.> Entropy Sig (T/C) 04:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm seeing this in IE7 as well. In FF3, I'm seeing an error "quantserve is not defined" at various line numbers. (Quantserve is a tracking service from Quantcast.) I'm actually seeing this on other sites as well, now that I'm looking for it, so it's probably an error in Quantserve's javascript. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 16:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I've loaded some pages on IE7 yesterday, and the bars showed up for me. They've always showed up on FF so far, unless I left some divs unclosed.. --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 16:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Dunno if this is of any relevance, but in FF3, when I opened a page, it loaded the content, but not the top/side bars, then it sat there for a good 5 seconds saying "Transferring data from" Would that be related to the cause of the problem? I dunno if wiki uses that site for anything. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 02:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
IE sometimes gives an error about getElementsByID at line X is null or not an object. Entropy Sig (T/C) 07:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
media.fastclick; isn't that ads? Could explain why I don't have such problems; Ads are blocked for me. --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 12:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I need to stop forgetting that you guys are using Monobook. Anyway, I was able to reproduce both this problem and the upload problem. I've bugged the appropriate people and I'll let you know when I find out more. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Just for a little more info, not sure if it helps or not, my bars are showing up about 15% of the time. But most of the time they don't. Shogankillername 20:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Sidebar at bottom

Also, see this, the toolbox appears at the bottom ... --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 00:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Nice illustration of the "uploaded, but missing picture" bug. Anyway, that funniness is because your browser doesn't receive the CSS from wikia. If it thinks it has an incomplete copy and that is the correct one, the instructions at w:Special:MyPage/global.css may help you (?). --◄mendel► 14:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
My sidebar and top bar are also not showing up... 100% of the time, no matter how many times I refresh the page or clear my browser cache. No error message popping up either.--Marcopolo47 signature new (Talk) (Contr.) 20:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
See .CSS hack a few subheaders below this. Entropy Sig (T/C) 20:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Didn't help. Sidebar and top bar still isn't showing up.--Marcopolo47 signature new (Talk) (Contr.) 21:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
IE/FF/Opera/Safari/other? --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 21:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Refresh and it appears eventually. Entropy Sig (T/C) 03:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

uploading images

I can not upload images any more. When I hit the "Upload" button, it blanks out whatever I had entered into the "Source filename" field, thus resulting in the "The file you uploaded seems to be empty..." error. Entropy Sig (T/C) 09:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

What browser and operating system are you using? --KyleH@fandom (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I had the same problem in IE7, started with all of the recent mumbo-jumbo crap. No error, but it clears the "Browse" field when I hit upload. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 18:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
^What she said. Entropy Sig (T/C) 18:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm installing IE7 now so I can do some testing. I'll let you know what I find out. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 18:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Also check out the shole side and top navigation bar thingy. It shows up for me sometimes, and usually it doesn't. E7 on XP. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 21:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

broken tag somewhere

Occasionally when I load a page, everything is in the center, as if the entire page was enclosed in a <center> tag. One of them must be broken or unclosed somewhere in the code. Entropy Sig (T/C) 19:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

If you reload the page, does it fix it? Also, any specific places it happened, or just random crap? --Gimmethegepgun 19:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've seen it on Felix's talkpage and also on the Recent Changes. Goes away with reload(s). I often have to reload many times anyway, to get the sidebars back. Entropy Sig (T/C) 19:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Happened to me a few days ago when I refreshed my Talk page in IE7. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 01:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

wiki freezes up

On a diff comp, whenever i go to a Wikia wiki (GWiki being the most often), i see "Waiting for " ..." at the bottom of my ie7 and it just stays like that forever... any solution? --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 00:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

See above, it's a bug in Quantserve's javascript. It's very likely that this bug is also causing the sidebar/etc. to not load. Kyle has bugged the appropriate people about it. In the meantime, Firefox is not crippled by this bug, so you might want to try it instead. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 01:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
You can also add (courtesy of Wizardboy):
div#p-seg, div#bottom-ad { display:none; }
to your .css and that will take care of the hanging problem, and the sidebar one sometimes. However, since the default skin while not logged in is monaco, it can still hit you on the way in and out. >.> Entropy Sig (T/C) 05:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Add ?useskin=monobook to your "way in" bookmark/shortcut (or add &useskin=monobook if that URL already has a "?" in it) to avoid the monaco detour. --◄mendel► 05:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, cool. Do you have one for the "way out" also? Or actually, that's not possible since then it would have to be sitewide and we can't do that. I think... Entropy Sig (T/C) 05:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
For in and out, you can put the CSS in w:Special:MyPage/global.css, that applies it to all skins on all Wikia wikis. --◄mendel► 05:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
..... no wait ... you're right, there's no way to do it for not-logged in users without disabling the ads, which we are forbidden to do by Wikia. --◄mendel► 05:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, I can at least get it to work for me, so that's cool. Thanks, Father. Entropy Sig (T/C) 05:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
That one would do it for the way out, though. And you really ought to adress me as "brother". --◄mendel► 05:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I like that, but I can see how it's kind of useless too...after all we always prefer if people make an account, if only because it improves our WikiStats! It was my understanding that Gregor Mendel would be addressed as Brother only by those meeting or exceeding his status; and children or the like would address him as Father. But maybe I'm wrong on that. Entropy Sig (T/C) 05:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Lol, well thanks guys it seems to be gone... for now --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 22:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Showhide box

This is broken for me. The links to "show/hide" the box are missing. They also refuse to close on their own, even if there is more than one on a page as they normally would. Probably because they use JS for this sort of function (?), and that's usually broken for me. Entropy Sig (T/C) 05:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Status updates

I've consolidated all these issues because I believe that they are related. I apologize that it is taking a while to get a fix out for this, but we're currently reworking the way that ads are displayed on Monobook, so it's taking a little bit longer than it should. I'll let you know when I have more information. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have finally been able to confirm that this problem should be completely fixed now. Let me know if you experience any more javascript problems. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Server Failure at life.

I've tried posting something on progger's talk, and its failed no less than 7 times. I just gave up in the end. It's probably going to fail to post this, too. —MaySig Warw/Wick 14:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

It took 6 tries to get this one working. —MaySig Warw/Wick 14:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
It took 1 try to type this. My guess is it's on your end. --Progger - talk 14:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Working flawlessly for me atm. It's even fast. --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 14:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
My meditating gurus are varnishing. (not that often but I shouldn't be seeing it ever >.>) Entropy Sig (T/C) 15:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This is also showing up for some people when they first try to load GuildWars Wikia:

You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache Server at Port 80

Danger Will Robinson! Entropy Sig (T/C) 01:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Use directly. --◄mendel► 09:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I am. Entropy Sig (T/C) 10:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah ... some stuff broke ... it should be fixed now. Sorry :( --KyleH@fandom (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikia supports porn

Wikia supports porn What the deuce is this? Felix Omni Signature 19:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a Kevin Smith film. Zack and Miri Make a Porno --KyleH@fandom (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Well ask them to change their spotlight ad. We have kids 10 years old coming here. And yes, I am objecting to the word "porno," not the link. Felix Omni Signature 19:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I'll pass the feedback along. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
No offense but, ugh - bad choice RandomTime 21:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
According to imdb, that film is rated at age 16 to 18, depending on the locale, and GuildWars is rated 12, so it really isn't appropriate. --◄mendel► 22:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought "Teen" was 13-18. >.> Entropy Sig (T/C) 03:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
It's the low end we're looking at here, frankly. Two notes: a number of theaters nationwide will not be playing this movie because its R rating was basically a personal favor to the director and it's really more like NC-17, and tonight I saw an official TV commercial for the movie which called it simply "Zack and Miri." Is Wikia's moral sense looser than cable television's? Felix Omni Signature 07:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
So does the fact that you link your talk page with a "T" mean that it is rated Teen, Entropy? ;-) Anyway, I bet movies rated T are appropriate for 13-99 (but Z&M isn't, is it?). And then there was this cinema where this bunch of kids went to see "Zack and Miri", and the cashier looks at them says and says: I'm sorry to disappoint you lot, but you really must be 18 to see this movie, and the kid at the other side of the counter says, why do you think I've brought 17 friends? --◄mendel► 07:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC) & 07:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Entropy: Guild Wars is rated 12 in the UK. RandomTime 08:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
You savage Brits Entropy Sig (T/C) 23:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I am still seeing this ad. I would like to request that Wikia remove it completely until the Kevin Smith wiki people make a new one. Felix Omni Signature 23:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Images without extensions

Recently there have been a few images uploaded to the wiki that lack a file extension in their name (Image:Ultimate collection ;D, Image:Great isn't it?-D are from today). Is there a way to prevent people from uploading files without extensions? --Shadowcrest 18:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

This reminds me of when person uploaded an .exe , I thought this extentions issue was dealt with... Entropy Sig (T/C) 22:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
It looks like the extensions issue was only partially dealt with ... please don't delete that image until I can get our tech team to look at it. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

I guess it's futile to ask for the wikis listed in Category:Templates/Links to be added to the interwiki map, but nl: and es: really should be in the interlanguage table (and maybe cn: for w:c:guildwarscn:)? I'm asking because I'm presently building interwiki link templates. --◄mendel► 20:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

gww:, gw2w: and w:c:pvx: are already on the interwiki list, were there others that need adding? I just checked the interlanguage table to ensure all the variations are in there - including es and nl. New ones may take up to 24 hours to show (they tend to get cached) but please let me know of any that aren't working after that. Thanks -- sannse@fandom (talk) 12:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
The four templates (,,, link to our "sister" wikis not on Wikia, and it'd be nice to have them on the list, even if they can't be set up in the interlanguage system. Thanks for taking care of the Wikia interlanguage links, I can see es: is working already! --◄mendel► 19:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
nl has kicked in too now. We can add the others to the interwiki list, but it's probably best not to use abbreviation with full-stops (periods) in. It probably won't have any effect, but it's good to be cautious. Is there another suitable abbreviation? Either way, please add any additions you want to and a Central admin or someone else with access will add them -- sannse@fandom (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, and thanks for the hint. :D --◄mendel► 00:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Not getting enough ECs (lol)

So recently there have been a number of cases (many of them on my part) where someone writes a comment, and it "eats" someone else's comment, totally replacing it on the page. The other person's is still in the history n stuff. Normally, you get edit conflicts to prevent this. What's going on? Entropy Sig (T/C) 21:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Another similar case is on articles; 2 people editing the same thing. Say, change [[Kournan Scouts]] to [[Kournan Scout]]s. The second to press edit doesn't get EC'd, the edit does show up in RC, but without any changes. As if the second person made a null edit (which don't pop up on RC). --- VipermagiSig-- (s)talkpage 10:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
This is still going on [1], would be nice if someone at Wikia could look into it. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 00:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I just got another one Wikia:Wintersday/Secret_Dwayna&curid=167207&diff=1418939&oldid=1418938 (it didn't make a difference, but in my edit window, I changed the last number from 64 to 66, not 65 to 66). ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(talk) 18:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Looking in to this ... --KyleH@fandom (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Game updates

Hi got this error on the Game updates talk page, but the rest of the site was working OK...???... Wierd:

Himm Taeguk Wikia error

HimmTaeguk (T/C) 15:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Now Fixed, oh well :p. HimmTaeguk (T/C) 15:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, some times the meditating gurus need varnishing. Happens to everyone once in a while. --Macros 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
It's an issue with Wikia's front-end cache servers, which use a memory caching service called Varnish. The Guru Meditation has a much older origin, though. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 15:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Interesting reading as ever Ishy :D HimmTaeguk (T/C) 16:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. ^_^ —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 16:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Other Wikia wikis

Why is it GuildWiki is the only Wikia wiki that doesn't look like this? --Macros 11:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

'Cause we're just that good and/or Kyle is oorsome like that Entropy Sig (T/C) 13:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
w:c:fallout looks fine to me - intermittent glitch? But yeah, we're special. --◄mendel► 13:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Mendel suggested switching to the quartz skin to see if it worked, and it did. Switching back to monobook makes the wikis break again. --Macros 14:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Is that bug still happening? I can't seem to reproduce it. GuildWiki is special (that is, it has a separate version of Monobook), but the rest of Wikia shouldn't look like that anyway. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 21:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Macros told me on irc that it doesn't happen on Quartz (I suggested tryng that), so the problem seems to be with Wikia's monobook and monaco skins - remember GuildWiki is special for having its own GWmonobook.php skin. I told him to try that because I caught a conversation on #wikia the other where another person seemed to have similar problems, possibly related to some plugins. --◄mendel► 22:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems to be working now. For some reason... --Macros 22:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


I've noticed with the new way that polls work - the tallies do not seem to update in any meaningful way until I make an edit to the page. For example, I have a few polls on my userpage. One of them had ~31 votes, another ~15, another ~3, and the last ~8. After I edited my page, the counts were ~40, ~30, ~18, ~24, or something like that.

Do we have to make null edits to see updated polls? Or is this yet another problem with IE? :C Entropy Sig (T/C) 14:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Updates just fine on Firefox. :\ -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 03:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't update normally for me, but whenever I vote on something I do a purge of the system cache and it shows up :P --Gimmethegepgun 03:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
It shows me what other people voted before I vote, and I can change my vote at any time, is that normal?--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig Gîğáturkey 03:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Dunno, but I get the same thing. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 04:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

While we're on the topic of polls: What happened to the "You voted x"? --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 12:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Links not working

Lately when I'm trying to browse the main page, i have to take alternate routes because the direct link isn't working. For example, when i clicked on elite skills, it brought me to a page with a bunch of scripts and codes on it. There are also a few more links that are working right for me, i don't know if its a site problem or just me. Please let me know (if it is just me) if there's any way to fix the problem, any other input on the problem would be appreciated too.

thanks,Pure Killin
Now its starting to work again, thanks to ne1 who might have fixed it

Tabs broken for Monobook

I am extremely chagrined for making things very inconvenient for Monobook users for a while. Because of caching I hadn't realized that my change to Mediawiki:monobook.css had broken things when I logged off last night. I have since repaired the change, previewing that via my personal monobook.css (which I should have done in the first place), and I trust that when the cache updates — this should take less than 24 hours — , the top navbar will be gone (as it is now) and the personal links, tabs and logo will have moved up.

As a stopgap fix until the cache updates, you can add the following lines to your Special:MyPage/monobook.css or switch to Monaco temporarily.

#column-one { padding-top: 145px; }
#p-logo { top: 0em; }
#p-personal { top: 0.6em; }
#p-cactions { top: 1.9em; }

Again, I apologize. --◄mendel► 14:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The issue is completely fixed now. See User_talk:M.mendel#disabling_navbar if you want the navbar back, and contact me or examine Vipermagi's css if you want it back but empty or with custom text. --◄mendel► 19:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Mendel, note that I have't put a custom text in there yet. Couldn't think of anything really, since links wouldn't work. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 19:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure

The sitenotice shouldn't have this written on it:

!-- var cookieName = "dismissSiteNotice="; var cookiePos = document.cookie.indexOf(cookieName); var siteNoticeID = "1.19"; var siteNoticeValue = "\x3cdiv align=\"center\"\x3e\n\x3ctable style=\"background: #E6EFEF; border: 2px solid black; text-align:center\"\x3e\n\x3ctr\x3e\n\x3ctd\x3e\n\x3cp\x3e\x3cspan style=\"font-size:1.2em\"\x3e\x3cb\x3eHave a suggestion for GuildWiki? \x3ca href=\"/wiki/GuildWars Wikia:Suggestions\" title=\"GuildWars Wikia:Suggestions\"\x3eWe\'d like to hear it\x3c/a\x3e!\x3c/b\x3e\x3c/span\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e\n\x3c/td\x3e\x3c/tr\x3e\x3c/table\x3e\n\x3c/div\x3e\n\x3cdiv align=\"center\"\x3e\n\x3ctable style=\"background: #E6EFEF; border: 2px solid black; text-align:center\"\x3e\n\x3ctr\x3e\n\x3ctd\x3e\n\x3cp\x3e\x3cspan style=\"font-size:1.2em\"\x3e\x3cb\x3eWintersday Decorations are going up! \x3ca href=\"/wiki/User:Entropy/Wintersday\" class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"User:Entropy/Wintersday\"\x3eSee here for more information\x3c/a\x3e!\x3c/b\x3e\x3c/span\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e\n\x3c/td\x3e\x3c/tr\x3e\x3c/table\x3e\n\x3c/div\x3e\n\x3cp\x3e\x3cbr /\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e\x3cp\x3e\x3cbr /\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e"; var cookieValue = ""; var msgClose = "dismiss"; if (cookiePos > -1) { cookiePos = cookiePos + cookieName.length; var endPos = document.cookie.indexOf(";", cookiePos); if (endPos > -1) { cookieValue = document.cookie.substring(cookiePos, endPos); } else { cookieValue = document.cookie.substring(cookiePos); } } if (cookieValue != siteNoticeID) { function dismissNotice() { var date = new Date(); date.setTime(date.getTime() + 30*86400*1000); document.cookie = cookieName + siteNoticeID + "; expires="+date.toGMTString() + "; path=/"; var element = document.getElementById('siteNotice'); element.parentNode.removeChild(element); } document.writeln(); document.writeln(' '+siteNoticeValue+' ['+msgClose+']

'); } -->

but maybe its just me. :\ —MaySig Warw/Wick 17:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

That's the javascript that displays the site notice or hides it based on the value of a user cookie. It also sets the cookie when the user clicks on "dismiss". So yes, it should be there. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 17:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Should probably change the link from User:Entropy/Wintersday to GuildWiki/Wintersday though Viruzzz 17:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Fixed. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 18:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Ishy, thats what was being displayed as the sitenotice. —MaySig Warw/Wick 18:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, that wasn't clear in your original post. It's probably something bugged on your end or temporary, it's displaying (or rather, not displaying) fine for me in both FF/IE and both Monaco/Monobook. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 18:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Wintersday Skin

Please report bugs with the wintersday skin here. Known glitches at this time include:

  • The Monobook tabs look slightly oversized on Internet Explorer.
  • There has been one report of incompatibilities with importing monaco-common.css .
  • Sometimes Wikia image servers refuse to display all the background images.

--◄mendel► 12:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Theme not visible due to caching

It may take a few hours for Wikia cache servers to deliver the wintersday style. :-( --◄mendel► 12:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe Monobook has now updated to winter, while Monaco hasn't yet. --◄mendel► 13:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Still no sign of Monaco winter on my end. --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I have posted to the central Wikia help desk about this issue. --◄mendel► 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Skin does not update

I use the "classic" skin, whichever that name is (I think that was Monobook?), and I still don't see it. I use FF3. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 18:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Ahh ha ha! Ctrl+F5 FTW! RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 18:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal Navigation links

My top navigation bar (Username "my talk" "my watchlist" "log out" etc.) are almost impossible to see. They are blue on blue snow, and there's no shaded box behind them... *sigh* RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 18:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

#p-personal { top: 0.8em; }
This number can be adjusted to force your personal links down into the white area so they are visible. Entropy Sig (T/C) 18:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
A more complex but more elegant solution, based on what Wizardboy did:
#p-personal ul {
  background: white;
  width: 470px;
  float: right;
  position: relative;
  top: -2px;
  border: 1px solid gray;
  padding: 0 2em 0 0;
I was about to put that into my own .css when I saw the comments here. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 18:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Eh, I'm not gonna bother with that. It's only temporary, anyway, and I can still sort of see them. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I like them that way. I thought the issue wasn't very serious because once you mouse over them, they should show a white background and be readable. --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Browser performance

Unfortunately (as it looks very nice) I've had to disable the wintersday theme as it seriously degrades the performance of my browser while viewing it (FF3, other tabs are unaffected, only guildwiki tab). While scrolling the page there is heavy shearing of images (including the new background) and lag. This is the only site that I have experienced this on since I left dialup behind. Yggdrasil 19:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

For me, the snowy background on the left scrolls faster than the main page text, but it's bearable. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The reason is that the trees stay fixed to the lower right screen corner, which makes them visible even at the top of long pages. There is no easy fix without compromising the design, I'm afraid, except the Microsoft way (= get a faster PC already!). --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
A workaround for the shearing (and some other issues) has been posted to GuildWars Wikia talk:Wintersday/Wiki decorations. I apologize for the inconvenience. --◄mendel► 06:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

runs fine on Icecat

Well I showed you what it looks like on Ice Cat, and to be honest Icecat is experiencing none of the problems anyone else is. There is no slowdown at all, no messed up images or anything. In fact it runs better on Icecat than on Firefox, no idea why to be honest. They are both using the same plugins. If anyone has any problems on Icecat let me know as I might be able to help them configure it properly. SpikeiconTenetke Mekko 14:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so it's a .bz2 file... So what the hell do I do with it? O_o RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 15:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
You're running Icecat on a Linux distro though, not on that Windows? --◄mendel► 16:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Huu? I need Linux to run it? O_o RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 18:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, you would need Linux to use Icecat sorry, I don't think it will even compile using mingw. I was posting to let you know that the problems reported about the page slowing, and problems with the images mentioned above maybe related directly to firefox. Just didn't want you thinking it was the .css itself that had done anything wrong. SpikeiconTenetke MekkoMy Talk Page 19:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's a browser- or OS-specific issue, I think it's because the images are somewhat large: the total file size of the two main background images is just under 500kB. You'd need quite a bit of processing power to scroll that much image data quickly. (Linux might have an edge up on Windows, though, as it has less kludge in the background taking up resources.) Also, the Wikia image servers run slow sometimes, which can delay page loading for some people. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 19:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
The images have to be loaded just once, unless your local browser cache is set to less than 5MB or so. I doubt the compressed size of the images matters any when scrolling is concerned; if it does, the browser fails. I should expect them to be rendered at screen resolution and scrolled from that. But since the trees are staying fixed, the text has to be redrawn on it with each scroll step; the browser can't simply "push the whole page up". --◄mendel► 23:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and my processing power is a 3-year-old PC. --◄mendel► 06:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

more issues

Post them here, please. --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Feature proposal/request - Recentchanges enhancement

Something a bored tech might be able to whip up over an afternoon: For items in the Special:RecentChanges, add a class for each <table> corresponding to the namespace of the page in question. For simplicity, the naming can simply be by the namespace number. This will allow wikis (and/or users) to style RC entries depending on the namespace.

This greatly supplements (though still cannot serve as a replacement of) the current inadequate filtering system of RC (which only allows one namespace to be filtered in or out), especially when combined with page-specific CSS and special page transclusion. Users can create pages transcluding the RC, and use page-specific CSS to emphasize and de-emphasize multiple namespaces at once. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 05:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You can use a CSS3-compatible browser (well, there isn't one yet, but...) that can select on attribute-substrings; that way, you can invoke a CSS rule on the href or title attribute of a link, and with the sibling combinators you can probably style the rest of the line. Example for simple styling (without siblings) that works in Firefox 3: * a[title^="Template"] { background:LemonChiffon; font-size:125%;} * a[title^="Special:Log"] { color:green; font-weight:bold; }
If you want more than this, I can try to make it work. --◄mendel► 07:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Ideally I wanna hit the entire line (which is a table), and I doubt CSS will support parent selectors even when we get to CSS5 )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 19:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

small pics missing

moved from GuildWars Wikia talk:Community Portal

maybe my computer is on the fritz (tho i don't think so) but it seems about 2/5ths of the skill and proffesion icons are gone, among a couple of other things. is this my cumputer prooving i desperatly need a new one b4 GW2 (i'm amazed i can even run gw1 on it, ppl complain of lag at 14 fps, i say i'm doing realy well at 10, vandal, or did something i didn't know about happen?

the Elite skills list is especially full of holes now Akbaroth 07:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

nvm, it's definitely my comp on the fritz, moments after i posted that it all went back to normal, srry for the waste of spaceAkbaroth 07:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it is only you; I've been getting some sporadic errors as well. It seems the Wikia image servers are acting up again. Entropy Sig (T/C) 07:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

So anyway, archive soon? RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 21:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I just think the Wikia Servers are slooooow. It takes a long time for a page to open, a long time for all the images to load, and I ocasionally get a timeout or error saying whatever I'm looking for isn't there (on the internet in general, not on the wiki). BTW, yeah seems like this could use an archivisation (i think i just made up that word).--El Nazgir sigEl_Nazgir 21:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't seem to have any problems loading wikia. It might just be your internet in general. We have Qwest DSL and for a long time we kept getting drops and horrible lag spikes. Turned out they had some errors at the distribution sub-station or whatever the thing is called. At least, that was the "official" story. Once that was fixed, it ran perfect. And the bastards kept telling us to get a new modem... We did, but then we returned it, cus that wasn't the problem. Your timeouts seem painfully familiar... RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 22:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
it's not my internet in general,i can say this with certainty. my comp sucks, but my interent is fast as lightning and i've never had problems with this site b4 now, and i have been coming here for over 2 years. it only seems to happen after 11:00p.m. -8gmt tho, wich i find odd. meh i guess i'll just put it to karma (altho i don't beleive in it), cus i'm supposed to be in bed by 10pm and it only happens after 11, still been up on the wiki from 8pm-3am poking around and this never happend.Akbaroth 07:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I do have the same problems popping up this morning. Strange enough only on a few pages (like Mind Shock), images pointing to '' ? Strange...-- Merty sign-- ( talk ) 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
This may or may not be related, but lately I've been having problems just accessing the site. I have to try repeatedly till it "catches" and I can get on. Perhaps there are larger forces at work. Entropy Sig (T/C) 09:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
My internet is just fine, I can access other sites perfectly, but I seem to have issues with guildwiki. I haven't exactly thought about what time it usually happens at, but it's possible that it's only between certain hours (It's fine right now).--El Nazgir sigEl_Nazgir 11:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
There were some issues last night and earlier today with our image caching servers. Those issues should be resolved now. Are you still having difficulty? --KyleH@fandom (talk) 01:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The only problem I ever have is that I sometimes have to wait kind of long after hitting the Save page button before it reloads the page. Also, the Image:Eternal Survivor.jpg was updated with a white background a while ago, but the thumbnail on Monument of Honor#Survivor never changed, not matter how many times I Ctrl+F5'd. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 01:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Did you try purging the image's page? I did that just now, and the thumbnail was recreated with the "clean" version of the image. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 02:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd tried it before on the image page AND on the article and it didn't work, but worked this time. O_o Oh well. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 02:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Semantic Media Wiki & Semantic Forms

As per the ample warning and lack of major objections here, I would like to request the SMW and SF extensions be enabled, so that I can do a pilot test program on a subset of GuildWiki articles to gather feedback. Thanks. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 18:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 21:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Done! I should note that Semantic Forms isn't fully supported yet, but as far as I know everything works properly, so I have enabled both. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Square box ad on a "short" page

Hi, today while patrolling Special:Random, I came across Sunspear_Paragon_skills which is a short page with a table that has a sqare box ad, making it look weird. Can the ad logic be tweaked to display a horizontal long ad for pages with that format? We probably have several impacted similarity. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 21:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Interestingly, the following pages which have a similar layout but I do not see any ad at all:
Did Sunspear Paragon skills simply hit a character count limit that triggered the advertisement? -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 21:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The ad logic tries to estimate the length of a given page to determine how short it really is. Character count is one of the measures that it uses. In the case of Sunspear Paragon skills, it is larger than a stub, but the layout isn't enough to trigger a collision threshold. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

IE bullet point bug

moved from GuildWars Wikia talk:Community Portal#New Bullet Points

Hey, on the subject of new bullet points (where they are centered on the paragraph and not at the first line), is there a way to turn that off? I am having a very difficult time locating the start of each bullet which makes it hell to return to the page and find the same information twice. Shogankillername 18:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you give an example of a page that exhibit this behavior, as well as information on your browser information? Screenshot could be useful too. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 21:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
This is an IE / MediaWiki interaction bug. Shadowcrest made a test page a while back, and there's a screenshot as well. --◄mendel► 22:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Bluh? People still use IE? RandomTime 22:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
For additional info, that bug only appears on Monaco skins, and doesn't affect Quartz or the Gamewikis version of Monobook. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 01:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
o haha, i saw shadowcrest's test page a long time ago and thought that the wiki changed the bullets purposly, but on that note I havnt changed anything and they seem to be at the first line again... Shogankillername 03:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


Why do we have the Video: namespace but not Special:AddVideo , like it says on Help:Images and Video extension#Manually adding videos? --◄mendel► 02:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

The help page is for a different tool. The video namespace is for this tool. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 23:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
So you disclaim that the two tools are related, share common code, and the video namespace works the same for both? Now that we have the Video: namespace, having an upload tool that you can actually link to makes sort of sense to me.
The two tools are only loosely related. The one that you linked to was part of a social tools package that was only available on a select number of wikis (5 I think). The one that we released last week, which is available on this wiki, is inspired by that tool, but it shares no common code. We do plan to add a special page that you can link to in the future, but right now it's just the toolbar button. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe - just maybe - it would then be possible to actually update a video that has become unavailable or for which a better version has become available from the video's page - right now you have to remember the video name and go through the edit bar tool (even if you don't want to edit a page) -- and I haven't tested that, so is it actually possible?
This is possible, although you have to delete the existing video page and upload a new one with the same name. Uploading a new version of the same video without losing the actual page is planned for a future release. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
On a related note, the Image embed tool sucks particularly hard because all the warnings that Special:Upload has are just being bypassed, and users may not even be aware that a page is being created. If we want things that way, we can just disable the warnings and cut most of the text on Special:Upload to give our Monobook users the same experience. --◄mendel► 00:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
See my comment below. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Bug with license preview of Image upload edittool

One of the licenses we use and available from the dropdown selector was Template:Mediawiki+GuildWars screenshot. The edittool uploader's license selector parsed it as Template:MediaWiki GuildWars screenshot. While we could add a redirect on our end to get around this issue, this reflects a general bug that affects all Wikia wikis, and some of the other wikis might not happen to have users who have a clue what to do (if things were set up by previous generations of users who are no longer around), so ideally it's best to fix the bug in the code. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 06:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I have reported the issue, but I would recommend that you add the redirect for the time being. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Bug with CSS of Image upload edittool

Listing this as a sub-heading because this is a separated but related bug: The edittool is outside of the DOM the regular wiki content area and wrapped in a .reset, so a number of default/standard CSS style rules that generally apply in the content area do not apply inside the edittool interface (or got "reset"). This creates problems where the license template previews ARE wikitext expected to be viewed inside content area, but do not receive the right styling. The most notable example is bulleted lists, which our Fairuse template uses. In the edittool license selector preview, the bullets have list-style-type as "none", creating the visual effect of awkward linebreaks. Again, we could add stuff in our common.css to override your stuff, but it's an issue that hits all wikis and so ideally Wikia could to the work for everybody instead. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 07:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Same deal here ... I've reported it, but I would recommend making the manual changes necessary if this issue is important to you. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
This one is fairly hairy for us to implement manually, since it involves duplicating significant portions of Wikia's Monaco CSS with additional selectors. I personally won't be able to find time to go through the CSS file. )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 00:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
It seems like the worst of the problem could be resolve by adjusting the list-style-type? It may not be quite as pretty, but the purpose of the license text preview in the image uploader is to give users a sense of the text that will appear so that he or she can choose the most relevant option. I agree that the style should match as closely as possible, but this issue doesn't seem to detract from that goal. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I wonder what {{PAGENAME}} would display inside the tool? --◄mendel► 03:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Image Upload tool ignores warnings

The image upload tool on the Monaco edit window toolbar doesn't display any warnings, for anything, that Special:Upload does. Not for duplicate files, not for previously deleted images, not for images that begin with "gw" (screenshots that get uploaded without descriptive names). This sucks big time, especially as some of our sysops are getting annoyed with having to delete these kinds of images. --◄mendel► 08:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

In many cases these are intentional design decisions. For example, MediaWiki:Uploadtext is left out because on many wikis this is rediculously large and would take up way too much screen real-estate to display. (Plus, in many cases, they messages are kind of mean and scare off would-be contributors.) You can, however, edit the text that is displayed at the top of the upload tool locally using MediaWiki:Wmu-uploadtext. As for the other warnings, I'll pass that feedback along. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
So what Wikia is saying is that the text that the community has chosen is bad and so we'd rather not display it, instead of telling the community about the problems and making it better? Gah! --◄mendel► 00:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Not exactly ... it's more that in many cases trying to display the text would break the tool (some wikis have versions that are rediclously long), so it's important to have a message that is separate from the original. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Internationalization of sidebar, Monaco-sidebar, and monaco-toolbox defaults

When the local wiki has customized those in the native language, please have the internationalization also use use those by default, instead of grabbing the Wikia international default.

This way users with interface set to a language not native to the wiki will not get a sidebar of links many of which might not work at all (especially if there is heavy customization). We at GuildWiki have carefully constructed our sidebar, monaco-sidebar, and monaco-toolbox so that all the text labels use MediaWiki messages for proper internationalization.

This is an English wiki. A sidebar fully customized with GuildWiki menu items using incomplete internationalization is a much lesser evil than a fully internationalized sidebar that only has Wikia's default menu items. Likewise, if I visit a Japanese wiki while using English interface, I'd rather see the local customized menu items incompletely internationalized to English as opposed to seeing a fully English menu that only has the default menu items from Wikia.

-User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 08:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

"incompletely internationalized" - for that mediawiki ought to not display the label, but rather the english message, but it doesn't do that. --◄mendel► 09:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
It does display the english message, unless we are talking about different things. Example, MediaWiki:quickaccess-text/zh has not been internationalized to zh, so when a user with Zh interface look at the sidebar, he'll see "Quick access links" (the English message) as opposed to "quickaccess-text". I believe this part is of proper desirable behavior. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 09:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
We've been discussing this issue internally for a while. I'll add your comment to the discussion. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
See also MediaWiki_talk:Monaco-sidebar#The_best_way_to_do_internationalization. --◄mendel► 03:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Mystery DIVs with margin-top: -20px in the DOM

  1. When editing this page and the Admin noticeboard using non-sectional edit mode in Monaco skin, there is a unnamed div with margin-top:-20px right after #contentSub. It does not appear when I edit sections, and it does not appear when I edit other pages (not that I have found yet).
  2. In Special:MultipleUpload, there is an unnamed div with margin-top:-20px inside the div right after #contentSub.

These divs are messing up with our CSS customization. Their sole purpose appears to be to compensate for the margin of contentSub in the original Monaco CSS (which our customization overwrote). Because the div's location is different in case 1 and case 2, and because it is hard to guess what other locations it may pop up (GuildWars Wikia:Sandbox for example is not affected, so it's not tied to namespaces), I want to request that these divs be given a unique identifier so that we can style them with one single rule to get rid of the problem, instead of hunting them down one by one. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 21:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

BTW, there is no simple CSS solution for this page and the admin noticeboard that has selectors supported by IE6 to target the offending div. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 00:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
These are created by some MediaWiki messages changes we made to simplify search results and recent changes. You can look at the changes here and copy the old versions back to revert them locally. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
tan you give them a class "emptymwmsg" then? -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 00:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Thanks for the hint, Kyle! I've hunted them down on w:c:messaging:Special:AllMessages, the issue possibly concerns blockiptext, categoriespagetext, confirmdeletetext, historywarning, imagelisttext, longpagewarning, movepagetext, multipleupload-text, newarticletext, notextmatches, notitlematches, protect-text, rcnote, showingresults, showingresultsnum, showingresultstotal, uploadtext, wlheader-showupdated. I suggest we undo the CSS patches PanSola did and create these messages locally to override them. --◄mendel► 00:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I added a "emptymwmsg" class to all of them for you, as well as a class that identifies which MW message it comes from (eg class "mediawiki_longpagewarning") ... that should make it easy for you to track down specifically which messages are causing you problems. It may take a little while for the changes (with the added classes) to show up here, but they should soon. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks!!! -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 01:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

WhatLinksHere broken for video namespace

WhatLinksHere seems to be broken for the Video: namespace, see and ; these have been up for 5 days now, so it shouldn't be a caching issue. One of the advantages of that namespace is gone if that's not fixed. --◄mendel► 04:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Poll applet broken for de

The poll applet does not show all bars when the language is set to German. Compare the poll in German with the English version. --◄mendel► 15:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, now the first bars is gone, too. :-P Firefox 3, btw. --◄mendel► 05:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Tips widget less random when embedded

When using widget tags to embed the tips widget, the tip contents become part of the cache, which significantly reduces it's value. To keep the randomness while not destroying caches, I would suggest maybe have up to five tips preloaded into the embedded widget, then use On Dom Ready or On Load javascript to randomize which one of the five gets displayed. That way the page embedding the tips can still be cached, while the tips still change around when you reload the page. This is one of the widgets that probably have less value to the people who KNOW how to add widgets to the sidebar, but extremely valuable to the general visitors.

and since we are on the topic of widgets anyways, I want to nudge about letting wiki admins customize the default set of widgets that show up for anon visitors. d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 01:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Just put some DPL with radnom on the page, that'll prevent it being cached ;-P --◄mendel► 01:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
the problem is I DON'T want to screw with caching. I want this to be able to be placed on a high-traffic page without screwing the servers over. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 01:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Custom Javascript it is, then. --◄mendel► 02:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
It'd be an entire custom AJAX call, if we are doing it ourselves; and I'm not inclined to pick up how to do cross-browser-compatible AJAX calls using a JS library that I currently don't use at work. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 04:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Can't we make a page that renders just the random tip, and grab that via an api.php or action=render call? That should require minimal javascript. --◄mendel► 11:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Right, well to minimize the handling js (and thus user-side stall time to process the info), let's write the page in JSON. Now let me find where Wikia's api documentation is at... -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 17:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
We would need something that gives us back multiple random tips so that we get something cached and randomizable. I think (not sure) it's gonna be much cheaper (measured in user-side browser JS engine processing) to have the rendered result be JSON-formatted for us to output the single tip. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 19:59, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Tips widget cannot navigate when embedded

The "previous" and "next" links in the Tips widget do not work when embedded, even when they work fine on the sidebar. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 04:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

CSS conflicts in YUI classes with Semantic Forms

Both Wikia's Monaco skin and Semantic Forms use YUI. Some of the Monaco CSS rules use overly generic selectors that also affects the display of YUI objects Semantic Forms used. I've already applied some local overrides that works for GuildWiki at MediaWiki:Common.css, however our solution may not work or may be inadequate for other wikis using Semantic Forms. Please have the Monaco related rules use additional skin-related selector classes to avoid affecting Semantic Forms so that it doesn't become broken when other wikis try to use it. Thanks! -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 06:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Editbar starts at top of page

I don't know if this is just me, but my editbar is at the top of the page - seemingly hiding the "editing $1" box. RandomTime 21:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


It's happening to everyone.

*<h1 class="firstHeading">Editing GuildWars Wikia:Wikia staff noticeboard</h1>

*<h3 id="siteSub">From GuildWiki</h3>

These seem to have gone missing. MediaWiki:Editing seems to be the former, MediaWiki:Tagline the latter. Entropy Sig (T/C) 21:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Null edited them, didn't seem to help RandomTime 21:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
It's back :) However, I don't recall seeing the From GuildWiki thing, ever. Are you sure we used to have that, Entropy? --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I put iot back, and I can turn the copyright notice off again though. --◄mendel► 21:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if we had from gwiki, I think it was lowercase anyway RandomTime 21:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
"From GuildWiki" is off now. See MediaWiki:Common.css for details. --◄mendel► 21:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
It was in the HTML. :\ Well anyway, everything looks normal again now. Entropy Sig (T/C) 22:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Please turn off CategorySelect

I've heard only negative feedback so far; it makes checking the categories a different task from editing the page, it is not as evident which categories are set by templates, and unless one is creating pages or add a new category to a number of pages (which can be done better by bot), I don't see how it would be useful to this wiki. If you could turn this feature off wiki-wide, we'd be much obliged. --◄mendel► 21:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd recommend that you disable it in your personal preferences if you prefer not to use it. It is on the Editing tab under "Disable Category tagging." Right now we are not disabling it on entire wikis; however, it is something we may be able to do in the future. If there is consensus on the wiki to do so, email us with a link to the discussion and we can add that to our notes in case we are able to disable it in the future. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 21:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you put the information about disabling it on Help:CategorySelect? --◄mendel► 21:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Yup, I'll do it ... and I just talked with a few people, and apparently we are able to disable it on entire wikis if there is a specific need for it (eg. it is significantly breaking formatting). Again, if this is the case, shoot us a message with a link to the discussion showing a consensus to disable it, and we should be able to take care of that. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
See GuildWars Wikia talk:Community Portal#Turning CategorySelect off. I'd rather not wait to find out whether it breaks formatting... --◄mendel► 07:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Please email us with the request demonstrating that the issue can't be resolved by disabling it in individual user preferences. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 16:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Bureaucracy... RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 20:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I think if it was disabled by default, and you could enable it by choice in your preferences, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Otherwise, I think it further encourages intentional vandalism or unintentional mistakes by new users to an otherwise complete (or nearly-complete) category tree on this wiki. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 20:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I emailed 2 links to this and the CP, adding the following:

Kyle is asking us to "demonstrate" that "the issue can't be resolved by disabling it in individual user preferences".
The issue is that the GuildWiki admins are not willing to support the GuildWiki users that try to use this feature; hence it is better turned off on a per-wiki basis, which leaves users the option to use the feature on other wikis if they so choose.

--◄mendel► 21:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The emailed reply from Wikia staff: "Ok." :) Thank you! --◄mendel► 08:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Search feature in Firefox

moved from GuildWars Wikia talk:SMW pilot program

The changes to the Wiki pages seem to hinder the search field in Firefox. In the field to the right of the adress bar, it's possible to add a certain Wiki to the list of search engines, allowing for a very quick and easy way to access articles on that Wiki. Because of the recent changes, I end up at the "template" version of an article instead of the article itself.

Here's an example of such a template: Template:Glyph_of_Swiftness

Skills aren't part of this program (well, that's what the page says). I'm using Firefox too, and when I enter Glyph of Swiftness in the search bar, I get Glyph of Swiftness, not the template page. I tried a few more, all worked as one would assume. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It's case-sensitive - try "glyph of swiftness" vs. "Glyph of Swiftness". The first goes to the template, the second to the main article. I dunno why, but creating a Glyph of swiftness redirect will fix it. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken 17:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, trying glyph of swiftness now won't work :P Thanks for clarifying that; I'm used to typing in capitals, so meh. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The Search field in the GWiki toolbox on the left seems to return talkpages instead of their articles. Happened to me while trying to search for "disc of chaos." Also, usually linking in the format of "Talk:Disc_of_Chaos#Wikia_bug" was sufficient, but now it wouldn't work without the ".3F" in the end of the link, it only opened the talkpage, but didn't drop down to the specified section. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

.3F is the ? in the header. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 19:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Make a redirect that is all lowercase for these mixed-case articles. --◄mendel► 19:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
But it knew to take me to the talkpage of the correct article... O_o And are you seriously suggesting to make a lowercase redirect for everything ever that has "of" or "the" in it because the pilot broke it? And would that actually fix the problem? I don't see how, but then again I don't know what the cause of the problem is. (Is it the pilot the broke it, anyway? I guess it must be, never had this problem before.) RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 21:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Look at the first occurance; it took him to the Template page of GoS, rather than the talk :P --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 21:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Exactly, meaning the whole thing is FUBAR. Fix the cause of the problem, not the symptoms. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 21:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
It somehow doesn't prefer mainspace any more. So report it as a wikibug. --◄mendel► 04:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Btw this is not exclusive to FireFox (for the normal mediawiki searchbox anyway). Entropy Sig (T/C) 02:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No, it is a server problem, and I hear on #wikia that it happens on wikis without SMW, too. (That's why I moved it.) --◄mendel► 02:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Shadow Refuge mini icon substituted by text

The icon for the skill Shadow Refuge does not appear in the "Skills used" listing on the pages of enemies that have it in their build, or in miniature under "Related skills". Instead, the text "Shadow Refuge" simply appears twice (see for example Bramble Everthorn or Feigned Neutrality).

User Entropy confirmed seeing the same issue, and reloading my cache did not fix it. She suggested posting here because I have been noticing this icon missing on enemy skill listings for almost 2 weeks now. The icon itself is not affected on its Image page, and full-size versions of it (such as on Shadow Refuge) appear normally. Only when it should appear in miniature is it replaced by text. No other skills have shown this issue. -- AudreyChandler 08:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Very complete bug description. I've purged ("refresh") the image page, if we're lucky that fixes it. --◄mendel► 10:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Resolved as of this morning! Thanks Mendel. ^_^ -- AudreyChandler 17:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)



Like so

I keep seeing advertisements and they block the content. Renegade Shinobi 12:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Totally unacceptable. Felix Omni Signature 13:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Weird: if you resize it to twice as wide and 25% as high, you can see it is really a banner ad; it shows up in the place of a banner ad; but it got displayed with the dimensions of a corner ad.
The workaround advice is to either use Firefox with adblock plus, or add #TOP_LEADERBOARD { display:none; } to monaco.css. --◄mendel► 18:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Or stop using Monaco/add moar fixes to your .css .Entropy Sig (T/C) 06:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

moved from Mesmer Canthan Armor

The ads are blocking the view of the several of the pages, some ads are blocking pictures while others detailed writing - - this page, when I'm subverted from the official wiki to wikiA is just a single example of a ongoing problem throughout wikiA. I do not know how to move the ads out of the way to view a page correctly, and to get the information or see the pictures that I need. Guild Wars official wiki doesn't have ads and doesn't have this issue, but because I'm not familiar with why you need two copies or duplicates of the same information I feel frustrated when I'm subverted to wikiA when clicking on a link on the official wiki page. I'm sure there is probably some detailed page of what this is all about- why this happens, etc. I don't seem to be able to know the correct key words to pull the page to understand and view the "why wikiA" page. The preceding unsigned comment was added by‎ (contribs) .

There's a message on the top of the screen that says we should leave a note on this page whenever there are ads overlapping content. I'm not sure I'm doing it right, but anyway, here's one I came across: -- OMGWTFCHEESEFRIES 18:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Lolz... This is getting ridiculous. Every problem seems to be just the wrong size stretched out ad in the wrong place. I saw plenty of banner ads on the left side bar, but they would just get cut off down to the allowed size, instead of stretched out into the content space. What have you F*ed up again, Wikia? RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's another page with an ad overhang, I have had at least one of these a day for the past week. The url is in the pic. GTA3Fan 21:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

This one only overlaps if you scroll over it; however, it's still annoying as I've done it on accident a few times and then clicked the ad trying to click what was underneath it. Minxy 21:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

  1. Image:Wikiaoverlapping1.gif
  2. Image:Wikiaoverlapping2.gif
  3. Image:Wikia ad overlap problem 14Apr09.JPG
  4. Image:Ad.jpg
  5. Image:Wiki ads.jpg
  6. Image:Ad overlapping text.jpg
  7. Image:Gw wikia ad overhang.jpg
  8. Image:Overlappingads.jpg

Not cool. Entropy Sig (T/C) 21:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi all, a quick update on this. We now know what's causing the problem and are working with one of our ad providers to stop it. We've turned off ads from that provider for now and so, other than times when we are testing with them, you shouldn't see this happening now. Sorry for the problem -- sannse@fandom (talk) 15:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. --◄mendel► 20:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I noticed when I went to my talk page before logging in that the side menu and advertisements were blocking the content. I'm not entirely certain how to link a pic to here, but I've tried my best. Image:Ad overlap.jpg -- NCA 14:48, 21 April 2009
RE: This issue was not a problem with wikia, but a coding problem with a missing </div> tag - resolved. RandomTime 19:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Templates redlinking

Things like {{GW:SIGN}} or Platinum show up as red links with full template heading ("Template:GW:SIGN" or "Template:Platinum") in it. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

GW:SIGN isn't a template, and Platinum seems to be working fine. 19:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
>_< Plat works now too, didn't just a few minutes ago... RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Spam Filter

I have many different songs on my userpage, all but one with a youtube video associated with it. Today I tried to add another one, however the spam filter would not allow me to save because it decided that (Number deleted because the spam filter blocks me from saving this complaint with it in there, oh the irony) (the youtube address of the associated video) was a link to an outside page. Of course it is. However, I'm pretty sure youtube isn't malevolent or will steal your account information.--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig Gîğá†ħŕášħ 07:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't the one that I was adding, it was an old one. So now I can't edit my userpage without deleting that video.--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig Gîğá†ħŕášħ 07:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Added youtube to the whitelist, does that work? RandomTime 07:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Nope, because it's the random string of letters and numbers that trips the filter, how odd, annoying, etcRandomTime 07:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Use Special:Contact and complain. It's the rickroll that triggers it. --◄mendel► 11:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Rickrolls have never locked my page before... strange. Entropy Sig (T/C) 12:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Key word being "before". This must be a new thing. I had a rickroll on my page around December, if anyone remembers... that went through fine, with no problems. Hmmph. :\ Entropy Sig (T/C) 12:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I still have one on my page, and it never interferes with my edits. 19:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Very likely because you neither uploaded it as a video nor added it after the spam filter was turned on. (or it just might not be on the list.) Entropy Sig (T/C) 04:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Weird Menu Bug

The menu started to overlap the content heres a picture: Image:Bug.jpg

It wasn't a bug actually, but broken code. Fixed it. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 19:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

1.14 update breaks things

Monobook skin problem (resolved)

The update is here, and with it came a change that makes Monaco user see an allinone.css , no personal monaco.css (but the central global.css loads), and Monobook is badly broken because none of MediaWiki:common.css , MediaWiki:monobook.css or the personal monobook.css load. Monobook users should switch to the "custom" monaco skin for the time being, I've send a Special:Contact message to Wikia, too. --◄mendel► 13:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

The personal Monaco.css does load. Sorry for the mixup. --◄mendel► 13:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Wikia staff have put us back on 1.13 for the time being:
<Kirkburn>	Safer fix for the moment, but you should be back on 1.14 tomorrow
<emil^>	we will update later today with all fixes for your skin and css
Please see whether works for you, and I would ask any admins to add a link to it to our site notice once the updates have been applied. --◄mendel► 13:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Beta's looking good for me. --JonTheMon 15:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Same. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Beta loads all of my pages fine, though I'm not using monobook. -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 19:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Last night (11pm-2am or so, Pacific time) everything got completely screwed up for me. All pages took 5+ minutes to load, and were displayed in plain text only, no HTML, no navigation bars, no images, it was quite disturbing. This was in Monobook on XP, both FF and IE. Seems to be ok now, though... RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 20:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Poll problems

I'm not able to create a poll on beta, but I hope that works once the setup is moved. --◄mendel► 22:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Does this poll work?

The poll was created at 14:31 on April 29, 2009, and so far 26 people voted.
Yes, but with a refresh of the page before results update. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 17:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't work for me no matter what I do. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 21:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't get a vote in. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Same here. Cress Arvein Cress sig 22:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Poll works perfectly fine for me. -- Isk8 Isk8 (T/C) 20:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The poll seems to work reliably for Monaco and not for the Monobook skin. The workaround: add ?useskin=monaco to the URL of a page that you want to vote on, load it, and then vote. If the URL has a # character, add it before that! --◄mendel► 21:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Probably a very complicated workaround, perhaps add a link on important polls to the useskin=monaco argument RandomTime 21:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I have an idea. Could we add a {{fullurl:}} thing with ?useskin etc tacked on, as a clickable link to the poll interface? Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 18:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Done. Taking improvement suggestions (and waiting for monaco.css change to kick in). --◄mendel► 22:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Quartz Not Working

I decided to click on the beta link, and try it, and with Quartz, the colors of the boxes on the main page don't show up, it is pure white. MiniKold 23:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I've sent a message on to Wikia staff. --◄mendel► 00:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
They didn't get it fixed mendel. With the move, my main page is there, but it is all white. It still has the words and links, but no colors. I understand that switching back to Monobook or w/e the default is would work, but I am used to this, and I would like to keep using this. Much thanks, MiniKold 21:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I now have went to other pages, like creature and skills pages, and the colored template/background by the picture doesn't show up. This stinks. MiniKold 21:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree. I'm trying to poke people, but I've not had a reply so far. You could try using Special:Contact yourself and see what you get. --◄mendel► 21:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikia reply received

Wikia staff see the quartz issue on other wikis too, they've passed it on to tech to fix. They'll look into the poll issue. --◄mendel► 22:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for sending the the Quartz problem. :) ¤†¤MiniKold¤†¤ 22:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing inages/maps from pages

I've been doing The Underworld this afternoon with the appropriate mission pages as a guide. Suddenly all the maps disappeared when I opened a new page. I've only tested the Underworld, but all the maps have vanished from all the Quests (see, for example, I've checked with 5 browsers to be sure it's not just IE7 playing around. Looks like a CSS failure to load; the pages concerned all had advert column on the right.

  Sorry I forgot to sign Mike M SAMike_M_SA
Maaaybe Unwanted Guests just never had a map, eh. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, It did. The reason I gave that as an example rather than one of the other 9, was that I printed it to disc. It had a table in the mid-upper right side with a small map in the base. All the quest writeups for The Underworld did. Presumably you've never been to any of these Quest pages. Mike M SA Mike_M_SA And, of course, the fullsize map to which the small map mentioned above is linked to is still available at: I took this from the HTML page I downloaded (I hope I'm not confusing you). You could try treaching this map yourself.Mike M SA Mike_M_SA

That image is from a different Wiki, mind you. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I believe you were looking for this. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 21:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

wikistats down

A user sent me an email requesting db dumps, however presently is unavailable. Has the location of dbdumps moved, or did it simply crash? -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 20:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC) is there, but recent server work means that the current dumps are significantly out of date. We hope to resume regular runs soon, and are looking at better ways of providing these dumps (weekly runs of 20,000 wikis... even when many are small or inactive... ouch!) In the mean time, please mail us using Special:Contact whenever you need a db dump, and we will update manually. Please don't forget to mention which wiki you want :) -- sannse@fandom (talk) 15:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah, it's back up. The server was actually unreachable for a time. --◄mendel► 16:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

{{ }} Linked pages

everytime i edit a page that is linked to another page by the means of {{ }} those types of brackets, the page (such as my user pages) dont update the linked part of the page, is this an IE bug or somthing? because this has never happened before... ShoganKiller 15:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

ok, well i figured out how to temporarily fix it, by deleting the link-->save-->retyping the link-->save ShoganKiller 15:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
There are two ways to do it more simply:
  • Open the page for editing, then save it without any change.
  • Add ?action=purge to the page URL and load it like that
Your pages will update by themselves, but when the wiki is busy it can take some time.
--◄mendel► 17:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC) & ◄mendel► 17:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
yeah, i had been doing the first suggestion (didnt want to clutter up this page more), but its nice to know why the problem is happening, i thought it was another IE bug and was standing by to DL firefox lol. Thanks for your help :) ShoganKiller Shogankillerflag 20:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, teh way you described it, you actually did some editing and saved twice - as far as I know, that is not required. It is enough to save on a "null edit", which won't even show up in the file history or Recent Changes (because nothing changed). --◄mendel► 21:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Earthshattering catastrophe at hand

Troll Unguent Troll Unguent ← Am I the only person seeing text instead of the icon when using the Skill Icon template {{skill icon|Troll Unguent}}? Doesn't seem to be any issues in general with the template... Mending Mending Revive Animal Revive Animal Lacerate Lacerate Seeping Wound Seeping Wound -- AudreyChandler 05:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Nope, not just you, and also not just this wiki. One of the image servers is acting up. Its being looked into as we speak. --Uberfuzzy@fandom 05:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

/* ignore me, just testing a theory */ full=Troll Unguent 24=Troll Unguent 25=Troll Unguent 26=Troll Unguent /******************/

Ok, as i thought. the thumbnail that normally shows up for that template (the 25px one) is corrupted, and with the image server flaking out, its not getting the signal to fix it when its told. give the techs some time to find out whats going on, but things should fix themselves once the servers are stable. i'll let you know if i hear anything new tonight. --Uberfuzzy@fandom 05:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I got that with Troll as well. No others that I've noticed so far. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 05:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

i1= i2=

LOL, thanks for the quick & detailed responses. I primarily brought it up because about a month ago, Shadow Refuge did the same thing but remained glitched for like... 3 weeks. I'm glad to see Troll Unguent is already back to its former iconic glory this morning. -- AudreyChandler 18:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Just now, I didn't see the 25px, but I did a purge on Troll Unguent and that has fixed it now -- that's teh remedy that usually helps. Add ?action=purge to the end of the URL (and load that) to do that yourself next time; give the server a few minutes to complete the action. --◄mendel► 22:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Buggy Skin?!

Okay, so I was using Gamer Monaco for awhile. But when I change to one of the other Monacos there's a bug where my main background is staying on Gamer(Meaning it's black, instead of white) so I got sick of not being able to see some text(Like the pop up info on PvX, text stays white, to go with the black background, except the pop up box is still white). So I switched to Slate(I think that was the name of it), and yesterday, I log in, and find that my skin is switched to Sapphire Monaco, I go to preferences in a crazy confused rage, and find that Slate no longer exists. Seriously, wtf is going on? Monaco is buggy, and the only skin that isn't F'd up is now gone.--Darksyde 12:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Monaco Slate is still there for me, witness this. --◄mendel► 23:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
No no, not Monaco Slate. Again, I'm not 100% sure but I think the skin they removed was called slate(Slate sapphire, slate brick, etc). It had the article on the left, and the shoutbox/search and all that was much wider and on the right(about 1/4 of the page wide).--Darksyde 00:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I assume Wikia staff have removed the skin because it is no longer supported. I haven't been following the forums at w:Forum: for a while, it was probably mentioned there; or you could inquire at Special:Contact. --◄mendel► 14:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
You're probably thinking of Quartz Slate. We removed Quartz and a number of other unsupported skins from the skin chooser two weeks ago for a number of reasons, but largely because we no longer support those skins, and some javascript changes that we will be making over the next few weeks will break some functions on those skins. In most cases, we have allowed users to continue browsing Wikia using those skins if they were already selected in their preferences; however, we were unable to do so with Quartz.
That said, you should not be seeing any significant bugs with Monaco. The Gaming theme does have some problems on wikis that were not designed to be used with the Gaming theme, but most of the other themes should work fine. (I should note that some of the CSS customizations on GuildWiki could cause unexpected results as well.) If you are experiencing difficulty with Monaco, please give us a yell so we can take a look at it. You can also choose to use Monobook, which remains fully supported (although we are no longer developing new features for Monobook). --KyleH@fandom (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Monobook ftw... RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 22:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Rider Page links out of Wiki

Was looking at the Perdition Rock page, and clicked on the Rider link to look at them in more detail, and it immediately links out of Wiki. A message box pops up saying your computer maybe under threat from viruses or something, and it takes you to a computer scanning page. Obviously I didn;t stick around to find out anymore, and closed it straight away. If anyone else dares look, please check it, as im pretty sure it's not just me. 14:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It may be that the click you intended for the Rider went to an ad that was incompletely loaded instead. It's happened before. --◄mendel► 16:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I checked it, and there is nothing malicious on the wiki itself, if it's not caused by something foreign altogether, it could only be the ad code. It's happened to me once before. --◄mendel► 16:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Disruptive auto-play Video ad

There is a video advertisement using "Smart Player", powered by "Smin" (or something similar, font too small to read properly). The video auto-plays with sound on when you scroll near it (so it might still not be visible yet when it plays). Additionally, it is a "nested" ad, where an inner advertisement plays first (with the message that the "actual video" will play in X seconds). When the inner advertisement plays, sound can only be muted from a control inside the video area, and cannot be muted from the volume control built into the "Smart Player" interface. When the "actual video" (which is the real advertisement) starts playing, it uses the Smart Player's volume settings and ignores the mute from the inner-advertisement previously.

This means I muted the ad once (no way to STOP it from playing), went back to reading my article, then had to be distracted AGAIN to mute the ad a second time.

I went back to reading the article, and after a while, I heard the advertisement audio playing AGAIN. This time, it was actually caused by another identical ad further down the page, although I did not realize it at the time and first scrolled up to check in the first advertisement. It was probably a good 10 seconds of being annoyed and frustrated and distracted before I found the ad further down the page and muted it. It turned out the page I was on had THREE copies of that video advertisement.

It was the utmost distractive and frustrating experience with advertisements I have had on ANY website ever. I have been finding auto-play video ads tolerable if they are muted by default. This video advertisement crossed two lines at once: first when it auto-plays with sound, and second when it switches from one video to another which brings BACK sound when I have muted the ad initially. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 02:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeesh... Redefines annoying ads, methinks, and there I thought those self-expanding ones with the little X to close them were bad. Next time, just reload the article, you've got a good chance it'll get different ads. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 04:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hvae you followed Help:Bad advertisements? Theworst I got is an advertisement that generates a soft"swoosh" when I am busy doing something else. --◄mendel► 06:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I was using Safari 4 at the time, rendering the instructions there unhelpful. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa) 17:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Really weird wiki hybridding.

So since Wikia forgot my login for GWiki I haven't been logging in save to post here and there, and spend most of my time on my anonymous IP login. Recently I've been using WoWWiki and GWiki, depending on what I'm playing. I've noticed recently that the really dark theme from WoWWiki transplanted itself onto GWiki while I'm not logged in, and it goes so far as... The Search Bar on the lefthand side? It's powered by Google, and only searches the internet itself or WoWWiki, not GWiki. Could probably flush my cache to fix it, but I figured it might be something to look into. (Forgot to sign) Skippster 05:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange... Can you upload some screenshots? Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 05:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I see two issues: one is seeing a skin while logged out: this has been a wikia bug for some time, usually in the form of monobook users keeping monobook even after logging out when it should be Monaco custom, so I suspect some cookies are keeping your WoW skin settings alive even though you are logged out and on another Wikia wiki. Clear your (wikia-related) cookies and all should be well.
The other issue is the google search bar being affected by CSS from sites you are watching; unless it is transparent, this is probably a bug in the search bar. --◄mendel► 09:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I did take a picture, just haven't uploaded it yet, could do it later if you want to see it. But it was like I figured, just a cookie cleanup and a cache flush probably would've fixed it, but I thought someone might find it interesting. Skippster 16:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

edit bar disappears

moved from User talk:M.mendel

after i edit something, i press Preview in that blue box , and then I want to press save page but the blue box dissappeared! then i have to click around ands scroll to make it come back. pretty annoying. (took me 2mins to save it. again) Meraida 18:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

As a workaround, I think there is a hotkey you can use to make it save, does anyone recall it? I would like to know which browser you are using, and what page it happens on. --◄mendel► 20:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
internet explorer, on all pages, first time was on my userpage Meraida 10:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Alt-Shift-S for save (hover mouse over the Save button...) --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Contents boxes don't work in all browsers with default skin

Currently there is an issue with Firefox the default skin where Contents show/hide boxes don't work. When a page loads, it appears to be merely defaulted to not show...


...but upon clicking on "show," it seems that there is nothing TO show!


Note that this issue seems to be Firefox only, and I was not logged in and thus using the default skin. Users with monobook or custom Monaco selected report no problems. Felix Omni Signature 00:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I tried to reporduce it, and it didn't work for me on my talkpage (or yours); then I tried it on the Community Portal, and from then on it works on allpages. Very strange. --◄mendel► 10:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The new rich text editor fails.

  • RTE removes {{STDT}} [2]
  • RTE removes page content, removes even categories on attempt to revert [3]
  • RTE completely fails at editing a table [4] (Monk headgear)
  • RTE cascades enumeration [5]
  • RTE eliminates linebreaks near div tags, which implicitly removes p tags, which breaks formatting [6]
  • RTE creates monster diff, including <tt> bug and a basically unreadable table. [7]
  • RTE adds up to 4 linebreaks near div tags (still eliminates others, see above) [8]
  • RTE removes hotlinked images [9]
  • RTE removes line breaks, putting <h2> and </h2> tags on the same line, which in turn makes the parser insert an additional level of <span> tags, which breaks our .css and makes the headline disappear [10]
  • RTE automatically closes an unclosed <div> tag even in section edits because it doesn't see it closed further down the page. [11]
  • confuses confused new editors: [12] [13]
  • copying linked example code, e.g. off GuildWars Wikia:Userbox_gallery, inserts not the code, but the link to it.
  • copying and pasting HTML can fail spectacularly,see the following screenshots made creating User:M.mendel/copypasting_RTE: copy, paste, save, result, edit.

I want to have it turned off wiki-wide, because it is just too much effort to change the easily more than 1000 pages to not use it -- and the user experience after turning it off for that many pages would be mixed, to say the least. Thoughts? --◄mendel► 13:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

So would it still be able to be opt-in for testing it/seeing how bad it might be? --JonTheMon 14:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I assume so. I really want to do a page, poll and sitenotice to gather feedback, but my time is short. :-( --◄mendel► 22:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I enabled it and have yet too see it once. Is it not available for monobook? And it seems like EVERY TIME anything new is added to ANY feature of the wiki, it's broken to hell. O_o Somebody needs to learn to test some more... Ooh! I know! Make a Testwiki! RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 18:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it's monaco only. Btw, there is a new feature you can test: go to your skin prefs and check Use Awesome / LeanMonaco in the Skin tab; that's going to replace Monaco, and should basically look the same as Monaco, so if it doesn't, report that! --◄mendel► 21:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
What? Why on earth would I want anything that looks like Monaco? O_o RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 01:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you meant to say it looks like MonoBook, because it does. That, or it's not working for me. I restarted the browser and Ctrl+F5'd it, and still no change. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 01:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The reason that the RTE fails so hard has become clear to me with some recent blog interface malfunctions: the RTE is really a HTML editor. The wiki software gives it specially "enriched" HTML, which is edited, and when that is saved, Wikicode is generated back from that HTML. I guess ultimately Wikia is going to abandon Wikicode and run its software on HTML pages (with lots of namespaces and lots of Javascript). Say welcome to bloat. --◄mendel► 08:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

* Threaded comments would be really nice.

turns into

<ul _wysiwyg_new_line="true" _wysiwyg_line_start="true"><li space_after=" ">Threaded comments would be really nice. <!--EOL1--> </li></ul>

The HTML editor is TinyMCE [14]. --◄mendel► 19:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
How did this get past testing in the first place? And why is it not disabled yet?!! O_o RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates that don't exist don't redlink

* Example: {{sdhkfgsjhgfasd}}
  • Example: removed because it, eh, redlinks, 12:37, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

That breaks one of the fundamental rules of wiki editing: any link to a page that doesn't exist allows anyone who clicks on it to create and edit that page, which means the wiki has let you link to stuff that doesn't exist. --◄mendel► 09:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. Using IE6 (I know, I know) I see neither a red link nor a blue one - just a blank space. --Snograt 16:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
That's the point, also, I can fix your problem Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 16:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see. I'm rather good at mis-comprehension. Also, I'm at work, numpty :p --Snograt 16:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Seems fixed. --◄mendel► 08:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hanging on images.wikia or wikia-ads.wikia

Today, when I'm on wikia, the connection keeps transferring data from either or - and not going any further - is anyone else having this problem, it's annoying because no Javascript is loading either. Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 14:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I've gotten that before, it would completely hang up on that and not load any wikia content. Sometimes it's also google syndication ads or something like that. Just have to keep reloading. >_< RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 17:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
It did it all this morning, but it's gone now Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 20:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

In-line ads?

Wtf ads

Explain please. I know that logged-out users etc see advertisements, but I wasn't aware that this intrusive type of in-line ad was included. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 04:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree, this is entirely unacceptable. Shadowcrest 04:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree that that sort of ads is a big problem, as it makes the content a pain to use. Whenever I find a site that has the text ads, it makes me think that either my computer has spyware doing that or the site is trying to give me such spyware--even though the reality is generally neither of those, but merely that the site owner doesn't want people to visit the site. And then I leave that site.
However, I don't see that sort of ads here. I tried logging out and going to a variety of pages, and never saw the text ads. I do see analogous ads on other sites from time to time, so my browser doesn't automatically block them. I've gone in and manually blocked the site for one type of ads, but that's from a different company and wouldn't have blocked the ads in that picture. Quizzical 04:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I am not seeing them all the time. Since the ads rotate I am guessing it is just one particular "provider". Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 04:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
If this is unresolved by tomorrow I'm going to ping every wikia staff member I can find, whether or not they can actually help.--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig Gîğá†ħŕášħ 04:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This ad model is being tested (read:adjusted) on some wikis, and somebody turned it on for everyone by default by mistake. If Wikia goes with infolinks, they'll likely restrict them to mainspace and users who are not logged in, like the rest of the ads. There was rioting on the #wikia irc channel until Toughpigs, aka Senior Community Development Manager Danny Horn, came online, apologized, and hunted down a technician to turn it off. All in all, Infolinks was on for about an hour. --◄mendel► 09:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I really, really hope that they're not going to bring those text links back. I understand that they need money and am fine with a lot of advertising because of it, but not ads that make pages awkward to use. Ads that cover up content, make noise, or do annoying things when you mouseover them are the three types that I'll usually leave a site over. Text link ads are two of those three, and seem to be designed to get you to accidentally click on the ad right when it pops up instead of the "normal" link you were trying to click on, as you accidentally mouse over a text link with a pop-up window just before clicking. Quizzical 16:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Dunno about others, but this wiki relies heavily on using links on content pages, this type of ads would render most articles useless or at the least extremely annoying to browse. If they implemented this, I don't think I'd ever use this wiki again, except maybe to keep track of my in-game characters on my userpage...  :( RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 17:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
So should I start setting up the rebel GuildWiki server now? ;-P --◄mendel► 19:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
If it was restricted to mainspace, monaco, not logged in users, then I would only complain on principle since I'm never on the wiki without being logged in...but, I have no doubt that it would certainly piss off *a lot* of visitors. The "normal" ads we have are bad enough; with "infolinks", we sink to the level of Guru almost. :\ (At least we don't have popup ads on every other page...)
I can contribute a stack of bus tokens towards RebelWiki, other than that I'm broke. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 02:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiBot "vandalism"

User:WikiaBot has made two edits to our Wiki recently, both of which I've had to undo: one was about the license change (doesn't apply to us), and the other was setting up Blog:Recent posts (we already had a better page like that, linked from Recent Changes rather than the sidebar; we announced the blog feature, but it hasn't caught on, so we won't link it from the sidebar).

These actions, along with rollouts of features that are unpopular at our wiki, reinforce Wikia's reputation for not really caring about our community.

To prevent that, Wikia could restrict sysop-level changes to wikis that have no active admins: i.e., Special:ListUsers and WikiaStats know when users have last logged on, so maybe only wikis that haven't had an admin log on recently should be edited by WikiaBot?

Failing that, may I ask that GuildWiki be exempt from these changes in the future, especially if they concern changes that have been publicised via system-wide sysop talkpage messages and/or the central Wikia forums?


--◄mendel► 10:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


My Avatar doesn't show when I have ehm how do you say it. Well on page like User:**The Falling One**/Progress/Vanquisher and User:**The Falling One**/Progress/Miniatures so with 2 /'s you know. It shows the defualt one. Well have a look and if you don't see it I give you a screen. -- F1Sig † F1© Talk 20:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Where should it show? Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 20:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The masthead at the top of the page- you may have to look in monaco. Shadowcrest 22:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
See here for a demo (I wasn't sure that it was the ** striking again). I reported it on w:Forum:Blog article feature feedback. --◄mendel► 00:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Content box bug still there

TOC fail
When first opening the site in IE7/Monaco/anonymous, the content box appears nonfunctional; a few page loads later it works. As long as that behaviour exists, it would be nice if those content boxes could again default to "open". --◄mendel► 02:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Browser rundown

Is there any way we can get hold of the data of hits from different browsers that visit the wiki? Sometimes different CSS rendering etc renders pages differently on different browsers, and to improve the data, it would be good to know what is being used Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 20:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Obviously it's mainly FF and Internet Exploder. I think it might actually be more FF than Exploder, tons of converts amongst the registered users here :D --Gimmethegepgun 20:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Poll on the sitenotice, simple as. --◄mendel► 22:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Also don't forget that some of us aren't using windows most of the time also. Gogo Icecat. I love that image, a cat just lazily taking a nap on the world. Or else it has the world in it's claws about to put the finishing bite on things. You decideSpikeicon Talk 22:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Please help us make this site look well in your browser and answer this question:
What do you see?

The poll was created at 00:17 on July 9, 2009, and so far 19 people voted.

Looks horrible, needs work. Feel free to vote, though. --◄mendel► 00:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Intresting, more people than I thought, from it seems like older browsers (With the execption of IE8 on "compatiblity mode") have the problem (FF 2 or lower, older versions of Opera, other, more obsure linux browsers, etc). Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 17:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

More polling required:

What browser are you using?

The poll was created at 17:31 on July 9, 2009, and so far 15 people voted.


Sometimes, when I attempt to load the wiki (doesn't matter what page), Internet Explorer 8 simply kills itself instantly. Sometimes it is graceful enough to tell me that it has encountered a problem and needs to close.

I'd love to be able to submit "evidence" to further illustrate the problem, but it's all unintelligible hex code and other technical crap in a miles-long error report, so I don't know how helpful that would be for Wikia. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 06:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The evidence: Internet Exploder 8 --Gimmethegepgun 06:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Please. I try to be helpful and you just can't resist posting the same snide comments you make year after year. I don't give a shit how terrible a browser Internet Explorer is. Millions of people use it, and if I can help to possibly improve their experiece visiting this site, then I will do so. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 06:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Fine, sorry. I guess what could work is you might be able to send it to Mendel or someone else who knows something about computers, they might know what to spot in the error log --Gimmethegepgun 06:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
You could send an email to community at and attach the error report, they can pass it on to the tech guys. Include the information that Special:Contact asks for (what wiki, wikia username), exact browser version, general location (so they know you're accessing the San Jose datacenter), and which page you're trying to access. I think that is teh most helpful you could be. --◄mendel► 08:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
In his defense millions of people in the world use illegal drugs. Either otc wrongly, or illicit drugs. Doesn't mean it is right. Now for some helpful advice. You said you are using IE8 so if it is the wiki itself causing the error it should only cause a problem in that tab and not the entire browser. Each tab in ie8 is treated as a separate process. I am curious when you updated to the version you have now. The most common cause of this happening is a newer version of IE8 is installed and the handling of java isn't updated. Have you updated to the latest version with your IE8. That would seem to be the problem. If it isn't maybe we can go from here. What OS are you using, what version 32 or 64, when did you install IE8, is your system compliant with the req for it? Also what mendel suggested will help, but they are likely going to need all of that same information. Spikeicon Talk 09:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Internet explorer is not an illegal substance that kills people, so that's a false analogy. Shadowcrest 15:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Internet Explorer should be an illeigal substance, but the analogy is still terribly poor. Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 17:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, it only has problems when loading the wiki. No other websites give problems. Soo....
Windows is up-to-date and all updates of everything are at their most recent. I've even got the most recent Java update. This machine is running XP, 32 bit because 64 is retarded, IE8 was installed within the last, like, week or two, of course the system is compliant. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
So who else here besides me knows the definition of analogy? This is going to be another one of those discussions where I have to give the definition for everything isn't it? Nope, because unlike those, if you can't be bothered to go look it up on a reputable site I simply won't bother explaining it. The analogy is quite clear though. The legality of it is never the question. It is the use of something by a large group, that to that group is accepted as o.k., even though others realize that it isn't. Remember that in an analogy only some particulars are needed for matching, not all. In this case you have Group A using Item B that is accepted by Group A, but Group P knows it is wrong. Further the example in question of "millions" was drawn directly from Entropy's comment. The analogy would follow: Group A using Item B that is accepted by Group A, but thought wrong by Group P. The test is seeing if we can apply both to it equally, we will see that we can. Group A (people who use internet explorer/people who use drugs) Item B (IE/Drugs) Group A (People who use internet explorer/people who use drugs), Group P(do we really need to name them/people with a clue). So it holds up, but don't get an analogy confused with a valid logical argument. Definitions people, read your definitions. Unless requested we won't go into the Source/Target arguments here. It is already off topic, but take it to my talk page and we can go at it. TO Entropy just because IE8 installed doesn't mean it is compliant. First the min requirements on their page [15] have been shown to be false. Second there is a known bug on the xp sp2/3 ie8 that will cause crashing on many sites. Right now, at least for most people, the easiest way to fix this is to switch to IE7. I am guessing you are using either firefox/chrome to access the page. My cracks about IE aside, I would really like to help you fix this if at all possible. I don't really care if you like IE*,FF,Chrome,Opera etc. I like to have a little fun with people, but don't take that personally. Could you do me a favor. On my talk page could you take a screen shot of the crash message and post it there for me. You mentioned your computer was older so I don't think you can run a vm, if you can though we could start testing. The main reason I don't think it is this site specifically is that IE8 has a feature that each tab is started in its own process. If the site causes the error it should, in theory at least, only crash that tab and leave the others up. What you are suggesting is that it is causing a segfault with IE8 that is causing the browser to crash. Now there was a bug like this with all wikis not to long ago, it dealt with improper permissions/image handling. I personally run a trace on that, and fixed it, posted on the ubuntu forums. I don't think that is the issue here, just letting you know. One problem many people have with IE8 is that it is slow at startup when loading multiple browser tabs. They don't realize that it is kind of a good thing, as each tab is starting its own process to prevent issues like this. The downside is that IE8 lacks proper documentation on dealing with error handling. Essentially this is creating a protected virtual memory, which can be a great thing. You are probably getting an error message with something along the lines of "Your last browsing closed unexpectedly blah blah". What this means is the parent process has killed off in some way. That can be caused by a number of issues itself. I hope this helps some and I look forward to seeing the error message if you have time to post it Spikeicon Talk 22:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I can assure you that the system requirements are fine. This may be an old machine and nowhere near as powerful as I'd like, but it's not total crap.
Switching to IE7 brings back all sorts of security loopholes, and also keeps annoying me to install IE8 through Windows Update. I will continue to use IE8. It's happened to me only twice, out of some hundred page visits or whatever, so it's a minor annoyance at best.
The exact error message is "Internet Explorer encountered a problem and has to close.", or something very close to that. I am then given an option to send an error report if I so choose. I don't have a screenshot. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 23:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Installing IE 5 on a previous computer eight years ago caused the computer all sorts of problems that immmediately vanished when I uninstalled it. Not just browsing-related problems, but goofy things would happen when the brower wasn't open, too. Installing IE 4 was notorious for messing up a computer so badly that it forced a hard drive format. I think the moral of the story is that if a computer is running properly and has IE installed when you get it, that's safe enough, but never install a new version of IE on an old computer. Quizzical 23:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about the wall of text above. You seem sort of offended by my question about the system reqs. I guess I should have put it in a different way. When you install a browser you are really installing more things than you might realize. Look at Quizzicals comment above. That isn't a rare thing. There is an error where if you have windows xp sp2 and installed a beta of ie8 then upgraded to windows sp3 guess what, you can not go back without a format. The problem comes in because IE is tied directly to windows itself. Chances are if its only been a few crashes then it will not be anything major. Still if you want to try and figure it out I am always available for help. I promise not to write too many of these huge walls of text. Spikeicon Talk 01:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
IE in particular can mess up many other things on your computer, since it interlaces itself with the OS almost inseparably, using many of the exact same library files as the OS does (or, probably more precisely, the OS uses many of the same library files as IE, hence why removing IE almost certainly messes up the computer (damn you Microsuck)). Oh, and from all the wall-o-texts above, I guess the person I SHOULD'VE suggested you send the log to was Tenetke and not Mendel :P --Gimmethegepgun 07:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
No, mendel knows far more about computers than I do. Then again just look at the wealth of knowledge on this wiki. Pretty much if you ask a question, someone here can probably help answer it. What's more is that people do try to help out here, if someone asks a question people always try to help answer it. That is why I like the wiki here more than I probably like the game. Spikeicon Talk 10:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
far more about computers than I do -- seriously, I doubt that. We know different things, maybe. I know nothing about IE8. --◄mendel► 11:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
It's not a beta if it is distributed through Microsoft Update and IE8 has been out for some months. I don't know why you keep insisting that I must be failing the system requirements when there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 18:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Because he's an MS hater. ;) IE8 hasn't given me any problems so far, but I use FF3 for this wiki only and IE8 for everything else... At this point I can't even remember why, but I know there was a reason for that. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
First, reset indent someone? O.k. you seem really defensive, so go back and read where I mentioned the beta install. You will notice I was trying to explain to you how IE is tied to the Windows OS. I didn't say you had a beta version. Third, why do people think that system req are all about hardware. Trust me, there are also software system requirements. I honestly don't know if you pass those, but I will assume yes. With your reply I would say you don't really care to have me explain anymore about that stuff. I don't hate all Microsoft products, but internet explorer is a horrible thing. Actually microsoft has done some cool software in their time, including portions of the .net framework. Even if it seems like I hate microsoft, I actually don't. I hate internet explorer, that doesn't mean I feel the same about the company that makes it. Please don't ever do that again, because to me that is quite aggravating. I am spending my time trying to help, and you make it seem like I have some other motive because I hate microsoft. Now I know why other people aren't attempting to help. Spikeicon Talk 22:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not saying that installing a new version of IE is sure to mess up your computer. It probably won't, and will probably work just fine. But if it doesn't, you may not be able to handily uninstall it like most other programs, so you'd better accept that if you install a new version of IE, there's a small but significant risk that you'll have to format your hard drive. I'd strongly recommend backing up your data first.
I don't hate all Microsoft programs. I've had personal friends who worked for Microsoft. I really like Excel. Windows XP was pretty good, and while Vista isn't great, neither is it as bad as some make it out to be. The only current Microsoft products that I particularly hate are Word and Internet Explorer. I'm probably one of a relative handful of people to have Excel installed on my home computer but not Word. For that matter, one of the replacement programs I use instead of Word is the Works word processor, which is also made by Microsoft. Quizzical 22:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
See most people don't get the difference of a fanboy (who either hates or loves all microsoft products) and those that know a bit about computers. Those that do can appreciate things from either side, they can look at some microsoft products and go "hey that is pretty cool" while looking at others and going "holy glitches and security errors batman that thing is a time bomb". I would say that most of us on here fall into the second category. I don't like many products by microsoft because in an attempt to make things easier, and more user friendly they forgo security and robust program design. This makes things easier to use, easier to setup, and prevents the end user from having to do lots of work. The downsides are that it is not as secure, etc. Im sorry if what I put up there sounded mean, but I actually got offended. Kind of a hard thing to do really. You have people here that might hate IE but they are still taking their time to try and help, and instead of being thankful for that you make it sound like we are demonizing you. Blah back to the software issue, Microsoft has written a few really good programs, and features. That were so good they were mimicked by other operating systems. IE isn't one of those. The integration of the browser was, and still is, a huge issue. Second is that it doesn't always conform to standards. Now that makes some things easier, but if you learn to program in an entirely standards compliant form you will have problems. This is especially important considering the newer versions (read Acid3 test). Anyway I don't know if any of that is causing your problem. One thing that might be though. I remember awhile back you changed your CSS to better display things in IE7. IE8 is better in compliance with css standards so that MIGHT be causing an issue. I don't know because mainly I suck at css. Mendel or quizzical or someone else could be more help to you. If you have changed it back, or if I am remembering wrong just ignore that. Spikeicon Tenetke Talk 22:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
If one has not logged in (i.e. going to wiki page for first time, as I was), then one's personal .CSS and .JS obviously isn't active yet. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 00:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
(RI) Well, you never told us that piece of important information, so it's hard to expect us to know that part --Gimmethegepgun 02:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my anti-MS fanboy joke, it really was meant to be a light-hearted joke (hence the wink), because this topic was really starting to get serious and kind of off-topic about how much IE sucks in general rather than specifically why wikia was messing with it in her case. In the end, I use both FF3 and IE8, as both have their pros and cons, but I do use FF3 exclusively for this site, as it seems to work better with some of the funky programming here. The main reason I keep IE around is because it integrates better with all the other Microsoft software that uses browsers, such as Messenger Email links, etc. I'm also enjoying Vista now that I've replaced the bad RAM in my new computer and personalized it just how I like it (I was a rather serious Vista hater before, and almost didn't buy the new laptop because of it, but was kind of in the corner and needed a new PC). I hope you can make things work for you, even if it means installing FF3 after all. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 04:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't matter AT ALL except for that one possible cause (which seems unlikely since I noticed no change how the wiki looks or acts when switching from IE7 to IE8). What I think is more likely is that there's something particular about wikis (or maybe just this wiki; haven't been on GWW or other wikias much) that IE8 doesn't like, *or* it might be a particular advertisement that doesn't get along with the browser well (script error), which has happened sometimes in the past. I was looking for a simple answer from Wikia, or at least some confirmation from other users who might have experienced similar problems, and now we have all these massive and largely irrelevant WoT's. Because it's not a big issue and because it's unlikely Wikia will even be able to respond coherently now, I'll just drop the issue. (It's like asking the devs something on GWW. :\) Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 05:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
there's something particular about wikis ... that IE8 doesn't like, *or* it might be a particular advertisement that doesn't get along with the browser well (script error) -- you are saying the same thing as Tenetke here, actually. If you were reading a printed book, and suddenly you would get a seizure of some kind, black out, whatever, would you say there's something wrong with the book (just black letters on a paper page) or your brain? Yet when the IE8 program processes input in such a way as to make it fail completely, you blame not the program that surely must have bugs, but the input that triggers it. Tenetke is telling you about hidden requirements. He is doing that because, until the program actually fails, you do not know that your machine (because it may lack some update) doesn't meet the requirement: from your perspective, everything seems ok because the porgram doesn't complain and seems to run fine, because it doesn't actually check properly that its environmentis set up properly, or rather, it does not expect the errors that could result from that. A well-written program cannot fail like that: when something happens that it doesn't expect, the programmers have provided exception code that is triggered and lets the program deal with it in an orderly manner. There is lots of Microsoft code traditionally that has been worse at this than its competitors: from people losing their work because their word files became so corrupted as to be unusable up to Windows XP, which, although it should not, can be made to completely crash because of some interaction between the graphics driver and the rest of the operating system, simply by me forgetting to shutdown Guild Wars when in fullscreen mode, when starting up next. This is not the way well-written programs behave. This is the way programs behave that first-years write in programming class because they barely manage processing correct input correctly, not to speak of detecting bad input. And processing input is all IE8 should be doing: web pages are input data, it is processing them, and it should be in full control of its own program flow. When it has to shut itself down, it has lost this control because its programming has been flawed. So when you are saying that processing some script or web page can bring IE8 down, you are saying that IE8 is a piece of software junk, essentially. That said, maybe the junk is your flash player, is that fully updated? --◄mendel► 07:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Basic security states that a crash is the first step towards an exploit (as buggy code can be exploited). IE is an integral part of windows, and unlike firefox, is much less secure *Cough* ActiveX *Cough*. Perhaps it's me being eleitist, or just secuirty concious, but a browser this tied in to the operating system shouldn't be the browser that you surf the open internet with. Thoughtful&#039;s RT sig testTalk 09:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Cool story bro. Entropy Entropy Sig 2 (C) 21:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Box ads vs. dialogue

See w:Forum:Box ad vs. indent, basically the box ads that heva recently appeared inside pages overlap the speakers of our dialogues. :-( --◄mendel► 14:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Please, turn off the Rich Text Editor on our wiki

I would personally like to request the divine powers that run wikia to disable the use of the Rich Text editor on the GuildWiki. We have been correcting the messes it makes time and time again, and it is getting quite annoying. The community has been really good at educating new editors about how to use the unfamiliar language for more complicated features, or correcting the occasional mistakes made, and it has worked quite well, so I feel like we really do not see any benefits of the RTE that would even come close to out-weighing its fails. RTE makes so many unpredictable changes that it is often hard to track down what happened to the article, and we've been having to revert entire series of useful edits just to remove RTE-fails, and then re-edit the article to put the information back. New users simply don't realize that their choice of editor breaks some of the articles to bloody hell for no fault of theirs, and then people's feelings get hurt, revert wars happen, and the whole mess creates some uncomfortable situations that would best be avoided entirely. I know that mendel has made a pretty impressive list of very specific and rather ugly RTE fails somewhere, but I can't remember where, I am counting on him to link to it once he sees this topic. PLEASE TURN THE DAMNED THING OFF OR FIX IT! RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG 19:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

My opinion of the Rich Text Editor as it currently is:

The poll was created at 19:42 on August 3, 2009, and so far 8 people voted.
Mendel's List. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 20:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
It is off! --◄mendel► 01:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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