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Sousuke looks like Sasuke, but in nature he's more like Sagara Sousuke from Full Metal Panic who responded to emergencies or suspicious packages with explosives --BeeD 02:19, 8 February 2007 (CST)

Whoa, I just noticed... he looks an awful lot like Sasuke from Naruto. And his name is rather close as well. Anyone else think this warrants probable cause for it to be a legitimate reference? - Capsule Computer

His character is almost the oppisite... i hvae a pic of his other armor too if its needed (no idea how to fdo it though XD)--Blade 14:16, 21 November 2006 (CST)

Well, it's not like the entire character has to be like the reference for it to be a reference. Lina the henchman is a reference to Lina Inverse in name only, for example. Sousuke has both a similar name and facial appearance to Sasuke. (Remember too that there's already at least one Naruto reference with one of the Assassin hairstyles.) - Capcom 17:11, 21 November 2006 (CST) Capsule Computer

I almost spilled my coffee when i saw the name sousuke. pity his personality is exactly opposite of him. I thought ANet got the quotes wrong for jin and sousuke. it'd be funny if sousuke in game has the personality of jin, then throws a quote: "i got a brother, and i intend to him him"... Xiao1985 00:37, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Now his third armour set makes him look like Itachi to me... Capcom 21:11, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Hmm, also do you think it's a coincidence that he's an Elementalist? I know it would be better if he was Assassin, but he DOES use Fire Jutsu, doesn't he? Connection: Fire Magic, Fire Jutsu? 70.146.250.103 00:40, 6 January 2007 (CST)

haha I think you guys watched too much tv/ anime...w/e

I watch anime too, but used to watch it...

hmm...

interesting, didn't know A-Net even KNEW about Naruto stuff 0.0 --Faqcorner 02:13, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Right... I also didn't realize those were just normal people with hobbies and interests that normal people usually have... >.< --Ab.Er.Rant Necromancer-icon-small (msg Aberrant80) 01:17, 8 February 2007 (CST)


Idle quote - location dependent?

The quote "I wonder what the Sunspears were doing so far north? How very odd." is not depending on the storyline, but may depend on location. I got this quote while traveling through the Northern Shiverpeaks on the way to Ascalon with my Elonian char. So you may not get it in Elona. Balwin 15:09, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Hmm... yes, Sousuke, that's kinda odd :P But seriously, if that quote a bit weird? I mean, he is with the Sunspears yet he's referring them like they're some other entity. Couldn't the north be referring to the Vabbi? The Desolation? Heck, even Kourna? I have no idea though. I really really hope it's not based on region. --Ab.Er.Rant Necromancer-icon-small (msg Aberrant80) 21:53, 2 February 2007 (CST)
Sousuke is a Zaishen, not a Sunspear, so that's why he's referring to them as a separate entity. Could he be referring to 'the Elonians' who died in the Crystal Desert? Cynical 09:31, 5 February 2007 (CST)
I know he's a Zaishen, I didn't say he was a Sunspear, I said he was with the Sunspears. He's part of the group (namely, our characters) spearheading the push into Kourna, Vabbi, the Desolation, and then Realm of Torment. So there couldn't be any Sunspears further north than him. That's what I meant about the weirdness of the wording, as it doesn't seem to refer to any part of the storyline. As for the Elonians in the Crystal Desert, those were specifically followers of Turai Ossa, ancestors of the Kournans. Definitely not Sunspears. Sunspears are tasked with protecting Elona, so I'm doubtful that a significant number of them would go with Turai to seek Ascension. --Ab.Er.Rant Necromancer-icon-small (msg Aberrant80) 20:27, 5 February 2007 (CST)

I think he also says something like "Burn 'Em Down!" during a fight, I'm pretty sure of that becuase thats always my nick :P -BurnEmDown- 14:09, 12 February 2007 (CST)

I got this too

Balwin, do you remember where you get that quote? I just saw that "... so far north..." quote in Shing Jea (specifically, Kinya Province), while doing the festival quests. The character Sousuke was with had the And a Hero Shall Lead Them quest. Doesn't sound very much like it's related to it doesn't it? Does seem more like it's storyline-independent. --Ab.Er.Rant User Aberrant80 Sig (msg Aberrant80) 03:04, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Like I said, I was on my way to Ascalon City. It was in Traverler's Vale or somewhere else in the Northern Shiverpeaks. I don't remember, which primary quest I had in that time. And yes, not very related to that quest you had. Balwin 04:18, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Let's settle the Sasuke reference once and for all

The trivia mention of Sousuke being influenced by Sasuke of Naruto fame has been added and removed several times. Some people claim that Sousuke is a common Japanese name, hence the fact that it's impossible for such a reference to be even remotely likely. The latest removal by Erszebet cited that it did not have consensus, which I surmise to be based on that short little discussion at the top of the page that doesn't sound like disagreement either. And really, does something as trivial as trivia require consensus? I'd also like to point out several trivia mention whose links were also quite tedious and would suggest removing them as well:

  • Mesmer - is very likely that the name just came from the word "mesmerize" rather than having anything remotely related to Frank Anton Mesmer.
  • Ascalon City (Post-Searing) - aside from a similarity in spelling, there's nothing in the history of Ashkelon to warrant a mention.
  • Sogolon the Protector - aside from "Sogolon" being spelled the name as another name for Sundiata Keita, what else is there to tie them?
  • Lightning Orb - right... it's so terribly unlikely that someone could've have just made up "Lightning Orb" from, say, Fireball, without being inspired by "Ball Lightning".
  • Althea's Ashes - so the moment I come up with names like "Abigail's Ashes", "Alice's Ashes", etc. and despite them really being ashes, I'm sure I got inspired by a book I haven't even heard about.
  • "I Will Avenge You!" - that's just a corny line that can be heard in many movies and read in many books. Why BG:Dark Alliance only?
  • Duke Barradin - this is an NPC, Baradin Bay in WoW is a location. "Baradin" can be seen in an old Ultima.
  • Ring of Fire Islands - if I design volcanic islands, I'm probably tempted to call them Ring of Fire as well, so the Pacific reference is again guesswork.
  • Hagen - Hagen is a hero in Norse mythology? So? He's not a hero here.

There's probably a lot more, but I got tired of searching.

Long story short: A trivia mention, is just that: trivia. It's not fact, it's not absolute in its claim. It's just something that certain individuals believe there's a likelihood of a reference. I just think it's illogical to totally remove any mention of it while other more tenous statements are allowed to remain.

From the examples, I fail to see why some of those are acceptable yet this particular one is not. This Sasuke reference possibility is acceptable to me, especially since several edits think so enough to prompt them to edit it in. If someone else thinks it's Ranma, fine, add it in. I've also already added in the fact that some people consider Sousuke to be a common Japanese name and is just a random selection. If consensus and general agreement is required for trivia, I suppose the examples above should have their trivia removed/reworded, since I obviously don't agree with them.

And just a little disclaimer, I was not the person who originally added the trivia and I'm not a fan of Naruto. I can't believe I'm making such a big fuss over something as trivial as trivia.... >.< I need a break. --Ab.Er.Rant Necromancer-icon-small (msg Aberrant80) 10:09, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

Overal I agree with you on the trivia examples you mentioned - they are far-fetched at best. I just used the 'no-consensus' line because it was actually discussed here and there was at least some doubt. Trivia doesn't need consensus, but I guess if you look hard enough you'll probably find another dozen anime characters that happen to look like Sousuke so as far as I'm concerned the reference stays out... If it'll make people happy you can always revert the edit, or maybe you and I should start a 'remove doubtful trivia sections'-crusade? :p --Erszebet 14:29, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
I understand your point of view regarding the doubts, I just think even doubtful references can be warranted if enough ppl think so. Since we'll probably never get any actual feedback from Anet, we can't just rule out that there's absolutely no possibility of a reference. I can't really revert it can I reverted it from the last time it was removed, so I'd be breaking the GW:1RV rule :P --Ab.Er.Rant Necromancer-icon-small (msg Aberrant80) 01:51, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
I guess I'll put that reference back than ? --Erszebet 08:18, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
After a weekend off from the wiki, I don't care anymore :P I was just kinda hoping to get other people involved in discussing on vague or how strong a particular possible trivia reference should be before being allowed. If we keep it removed, do you think we should go and remove or reword some of the other trivia points I noted above? --Ab.Er.Rant Necromancer-icon-small (msg Aberrant80) 20:34, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
hey guys, Sasuke, is the name of the most famous Japanese ninja. Sasuke from Naruto is a reference to that ninja. the only people who would suspect that sousuke is a reference to naruto, are probably already naruto fans. -- 75.36.89.227 22:13, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
I've never seen Naruto but sousuke looks alot like the guy in the cited picture of the naruto dude. I'm inclined to think that this is a valid reference— JediRogue JediRogueSig 22:27, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

wait someone really thinks althea's ashes have anything to do with angela's ashes?! that's... really farfetched. I've read Angela's Ashes. A lot of the trivia is farfetched. Some things are common enough sayings that you don't need to find a source. While its true that alot of the paragon shouts come from things and stuff like that, i think, unless its rather obvious that something is referencing something else, it should be left out. if you think that there might be a reference, toss it on the talk page. Then if like a few people go "oh yeah! thats totally like that," maybe then it could be added. I personally think Kitah's Burden is "Kiter's Burden" but I brought it up on the talk page and no one else really seemed to agree so there it stayed. But mesmer, the word mesmerize also is comes from Franz mesmer. I wouldn't mind pruning the triva and moving it to the talk pages in alot of cases. — JediRogue JediRogueSig 21:19, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

What definately should be done is moving trivia to the "notes" section (where applicable). Some people tend to mix them up. I'm also in favor of moving highly doubtful trivia to the talk pages (f.i. Hagen-trivia). The one about Lightning Orb should just be removed (imho). I usually check the recent changes for NPC articles so I'll keep an extra eye on those :) --Erszebet 15:09, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
Sigh. Fyren just removed the Sasuke trivia again. Since it's usually anon users who add and veteran registered users who remove, I'll go with the remove crowd then and be done with it. --Ab.Er.Rant User Aberrant80 Sig (msg Aberrant80) 11:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
Fyren has attempted to remove most anime references this morning. We're currently discussing some of that on the Ryoko discussion page if you'd like to join. I agree that Trivia doesn't have to have consensus. I think that's silly. But there can't be any trivia if it's constantly wiped out in its entirety.--Ninjatek 11:10, 13 June 2007 (CDT)


Ach, I try to avoid trivia discussions, but this irritated me greatly - "Mesmer - is very likely that the name just came from the word "mesmerize" rather than having anything remotely related to Frank Anton Mesmer." The word "mesmerize" came about because of Franz Mesmer. He was the first hypnotist, it's only natural that they name a word describing what he did after him. So... that bit of trivia is correct and accurate. -Auron 11:15, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

I totally said that already =/. But anyway, I think this is one of few valid references. I think if there are more than one thing to make the connection (doesn't it look like that naruto fellow?) then it probably is valid. If its just a common name or a really obscure possible reference, its probably not. In the long run, the fact that there is a possible reference has been so documented here its unbelievable. We won't lose much by not putting it on the main page. The other thing is: Does anyone actually care about trivia they don't get? I mean, if I see a reference to something I've never heard of, I don't care. I don't think its interesting or relavent. If I see a reference to something I did already know (such as Can't Touch This) I don't need the trivia to tell me. How important is it that we state the obvious? If a Naruto fan comes across it, they will think "oh a naruto reference". If a person who don't give a damn about Naruto comes along, they won't miss the reference. — JediRogueSigRogue 17:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
You're right. Which is why I don't understand why people just like to delete the Sasuke reference. I mean, if it kept getting added by several different people, I'm sure there's at least some possibility, since alot of people think that. Auron, as for the mesmer reference, by the time you read that, I've already reworded it. The old version actually attributes the "Mesmer" to Frank Anton Mesmer himeself, rather than the word "mesmerize". --Ab.Er.Rant User Aberrant80 Sig (msg Aberrant80) 02:47, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
I feel JediRogue has a good point here, a Naruto fan will come across any name similar to a name in Naruto and think "Oh, that might be a Naruto reference, I'd better add it". I happen to have read Karl Marx. Does that mean I should add a note to Karl stating that I believe him to be a Karl Marx reference? But they've both got beards! How could it not be! What about humble Bryan? Could he be the messiah?
It's a matter of perspective. Those who are avid Naruto fans will immediately think of Sasuke. Myself, I've watched some Naruto, but the thought that Sousuke could be a reference to Sasuke just never crossed my mind.~Nahka~ 03:56, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
Briahn the Chosen is the mesiah ;p — Skuld 04:04, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
No he's not, he's a very naughty boy. ~Nahka~ 04:29, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

Besides the name similarity, they look similar and they both use fire. That seems like enough connections to warrant a possible reference to me. And for anyone that says their personalities are too different: Lina is nothing like Lina Inverse except in name. (Though I suppose that could be a pun on how she's basically the opposite of her.) Capcom 18:15, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

A vaguely similar haircut and a vaguely-connected name is not enough to make a reference to Sasuke, in my opinion . If it was a real reference, they could have make his hair black, and his clothes more ... ninja ... And the quick biography (and battle quotes) of sousuke in the game doesnt reflect AT ALL the dark and secret behaviour of sasuke from Naruto . --WikiSidd 06:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC) (i'm french, hope you guys understand what i meant here)

(I've nothing meaningful to contribute) just saying yeah, no trouble understanding you. Ezekiel [Talk] 07:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

level

why do i get koss at level 15 and sousuke at level 11? =( —JediRogue 16:47, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Because you got sosuke before the update that forced all heroes to be lvl 15 for foreign characters? -- Xeon 16:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
No, he's level 11 no matter when you get him. Jin too. --Macros 16:58, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
I scream bug then if it is a foreign character. -- Xeon 17:04, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
It's no bug. Sousuke and Jin are not part of the group you get from Battle Preparations, so their level doesn't change. Capcom 00:50, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Pronunciation

Do you pronounce the 2nd U in Sousuke?

I pronounce it "Sohw-soo-kay", if that helps Snagretpudding 18:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The cut scene in the game when you do the quest to get one of them doesn't pronounce it. Instead, it pronounces the name Seuss-K, kind of like how Red Sox pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka apparently pronounces his name Dice-K. Quizzical 19:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
It's "Soos-kay" --Macros 20:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Laughing Jin

Maybe this was just a random emote, but Jin laughed when I spoke to the Field General to acquire Sousuke.--IronCrux 17:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Extra health/energy?

Does anyone know why my Acolyte Sousuke has 45 more health and 5 more energy than my Zhed Shadowhoof? Both are level 20, with the exact same skill bar (besides two skills), same equipment and runes, and no enchantments are affecting health or energy. Zhed has 405 health and 70 energy, which seems to fit (480hp minus sup air rune, no vigor/vitae), whereas Sousuke has 450 health and 75 energy, even with the same attributes and runes. Unless there's a quest to boost Zhed, Sousuke is bugged for me. -86.130.119.218 17:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Empowerment maybe? Also, check equipment. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 17:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
It is extremely unlikely your Acolyte Sousuke was randomly granted amazing powers by The Matrix, so I would recommend very thoroughly double-checking weapons, runes, insignias, and skill bars. Also take Vipermagi's point in mind and double-check the abilities of your other party members (unless you notice the discrepancy while in towns/outposts, as well). If the issue continues to bug you, feel free to post all this data on my talk page and I'll be glad to sift through it with you. -- AudreyChandler 20:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I just did a quick check with a PvP, nothing out of the ordinary --Gimmethegepgun 20:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Reference

Isn't "Understanding is half the battle... and now you understand." a reference to GI:Joe?

Heh when I saw the header I assumed it was another misguided person claiming he's a reference to Sasuke from Naruto, but I guess not :P Anyway, I'd say it probably is from GI Joe --Gimmethegepgun 04:01, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I just found my nightfall manual while cleaning the apartment, and it's "Fireballs are the other half." in my copy. Tried to check the manual on the official site, but it doesn't want to load.
"Understanding is half the battle, the other half is fireballs." - is already listed on the page, so I am confused as well. Entropy Sig (T/C) 07:29, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
A post from 2006 has the ...now you understand quote. The eu website has fireballs as does the official manual online. I suspect understand was in the pre-release info/press-kits and was changed shortly before NF's release.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:56, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
So someone check it in-game. Felix Omni Signature 20:32, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
GWW says fireballs. Entropy Sig (T/C) 03:58, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
Bah, everyone pussies out and uses Liquid Flame, not fireballs --Gimmethegepgun 04:42, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, my bad. I'm too lazy to check what gw.com says. GWW only has in-game info. Entropy Sig (T/C) 21:21, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
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