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Hi, I'd like to help with the Wiki (I was thinking of starting one myself, but someone pointed this out), maybe we should start by getting as much detail as possible? It can be easily tidied up in the future. Maybe just a note of places, characters, items? - LordBiro
 
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==damn copycats, if this wiki. damn==
I say, start putting in some information, get it formatted how you want it. The raw information is more important than the formatting at the moment, sure.
 
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: May I inform you that GuildWiki existed before wiki.guildwars.com? The community has moved on to guildwiki.org now, and if you check the history of some prophecies pages there or here, you'll find they're older than their GuildWars Wiki counterparts. --[[User:M.mendel|◄mendel►]] 21:40, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Phil
 
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::Agreed. However, they're all wikis and to scream copycat is ridiculous. Especially when many have and may edit some of the same pages on more than one wiki. Just there are differences in details, etc. between the wikis. [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 21:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
   
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== Attribute vs. Attitude ==
   
What if we had our own Column section were anyone can add and write their own guide.
 
-Cirdan
 
   
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There is no theme where ''attitude'' would fit better then attribute - and whithout such a theme using such, even small, pieces of mockery appear more like trolling then anythhing. Sorry to say so.
How do you mean? Of course you can write a guide for anything you want. - Phil
 
   
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As for '''theme'', if ''fanfiction'' is the new path I suggest focussing the main page on the stories of the game, with only a few entries into the mechanics site of the game. Maybe invite players to write a story around yesterday's (or last weeks) Zaishen Bounty/xxx and off course, once those do get written, a few sentences from the most recent of such stories.
I've been thinking about this over night, and I've been looking at the documents that exist on this wiki at the moment, and they aren't very wiki-like. I think this is because there are lots of guides, but not many '''facts''', as you'd expect to find in a wiki. A way to improve this would be to create different types of stubs (which I'm going to try and do now), such as:
 
* Location stubs
 
* Item stubs
 
* Skill stubs
 
* Profession stubs
 
* Character stubs (for NPC's like Rurik etc.)
 
* Mission stubs
 
* Creature stubs
 
* Monster stubs
 
   
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Meanwhile, random nonsense like this will put off anyone who happens to drfit near this wikia. Unless off course that is the intention. [[User:Amy Awien|Amy Awien]] 18:07, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Then we can go through the documents that already exist on the site and change any potential article text (i.e. the word '''Prince Rurik''', '''Orison Of Healing''' or '''Ascalon City''') into a link to an article. Since the article doesn't exist yet it will link to a blank page. We can then replace those blank pages with stubs. I've started making stubs, and I'll start listing them in [[Stub Templates]]. - LordBiro
 
   
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:It's fan fiction, are you seriously that blind? Oh my goodness, go to guildwiki or the official , if you want it to be "completely" official and no fan fic. It says fanfic. There is a section on the side of the page asking for more fan fiction stories, etc. Seriously, guildwiki moved. It was discussed and I'm sorry you missed out. [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 19:43, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Birdo: Excellent. I started doing this myself with the skills. - Gravewit
 
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:Here let me quote for you {{quote|Welcome to GuildWars Wikia ,an ''''unofficial fanfic'''' wiki for ArenaNet's Competitive Online RPG, Guild Wars.}} bolded the parts, in case you missed it.
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:And the site msg, {{quote|May has been officially declared "fandom month" here on GuildWars Wikia. Please post your best GuildWars [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:CreatePage fanfic] or [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Upload fan art]or [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Video_gallery video]!}} [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 19:47, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
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:FYI to anyone here who has same issue as Amy... It was given permission by Mendel in Irc to do the Main Page into a fan fiction. If you have a problem with any fan fiction, take it up with Mendel, but do note the quotes. This wiki is a fan fiction wiki now, the Guild Wiki Team moved from here and so all of the actual documentation are relocated and on their pages. There's also the official wiki that handles actual documentation, we don't need to be a third, hence fan fic, turning some of the actual information like Nicholas the Traveler into some fan fiction, while still holding basic facts in a fictional way. I know we appreciate the help, but I don't think we need problems or issues. This community has "shrunk" and is barely surviving on the few that edit here. [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 20:19, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
   
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::You seriously need to work on ''your attitude'', 'blind'? I suggest you lighten up and communicate in a normal way.
We definately need to get some kind of structure to the main page. Perhaps we'll do some kind of split column like a lot of the other mediawiki-based wikis do. wikipedia.org, http://www.hrwiki.org/ etc.
 
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::I have not seen any argument as to why ''attitude'' fits better with a fan-fiction oriented site then ''attribute''.
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::Btw, have you written any guildwars fan-fiction here? Just curious.
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::[[User:Amy Awien|Amy Awien]] 20:34, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
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:::Yes, I have done other pages on here besides the main page. I mentioned one of them above. Btw, you're the one needing to lighten up, not me. :-) I'm here to have fun and do "fictional" work, like updates to things in a fictional way.
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:::Btw, attitude goes with Kung fu, sort of a hint at the attitudes people were having in game on their professions, be it assassin, elementalist, monk, etc... I don't think I need to explain myself further to one whom is sadly, but clearly blind to fan fiction, also one who questions another's work on fan fiction with out clear knowledge of fan fiction. :-) [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 21:17, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
   
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I am undenting so maybe we can return to the issue, the use of ''attribute'' vs. ''attitude''. The use of the word attitude, is misplaced, it normally refers to how one thinks or feels about something. Better alternatives for the word ''attribute'' could be ''quality'', ''feature'', ''proficiency'' or ''skill''. [[User:Amy Awien|Amy Awien]] 11:35, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys, I turned on image uploading. Use it wisely. - Gravewit
 
   
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: I think what Ariyen may be referring to is the meaning ''the arrangement of the parts of a body or figure : posture'', which does play some role in kung fu However, it would probably be nicer if a simile could be found out of the game world - maybe something referring to the monastery in Factions, or to the Asura. --[[User:M.mendel|◄mendel►]] 13:30, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
== flooded recent changes! sorry! ==
 
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:: Mhh, posture and attitude can have similar meanings, I am not familiar with Kung Fu thing though, wp mentiones ''stances'', but they have a very specific meaning in GW. Would ''[[:wikipedia:Qi|Chi]]'' or ''Qi'' be something, but that doesn't appear in GW, I think ....[[User:Amy Awien|Amy Awien]] 14:42, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
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:::Seems like there's no better word than Attitude. I've tried thinking up other "better" words that'd be fan fiction, wouldn't fit with any other guild wars wiki, but would fit to this wiki, fan fiction, and guild wars. I know faction is loosely based off the Asian cultures, that's where Kung Fu came from. Attitude to me fit the everyday people in the game and of how most seem to act. Why you'd have some complaining about not getting to play with others. Some complaining things are over powered, etc. Plus that word I considered for the character attitudes like Cynn and her always wanting to burn things, The emotes used, and more that happen in the world of Guild Wars. After all, Attribute is used on GuildWiki and using that would be going back the old way. I don't think we'd want to be the same as any other wiki and be different. Guild Wiki moved from here, this is now Guild Wars Wikia and I think it's cool to have a bit of uniqueness. [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 17:04, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
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== Semi Protect ==
Hi Guys, I've been linking to all the skills and locations from the elite skills location page, and I haven't been setting "this is a minor edit", so I've pretty much flooded the recent changes page, sorry about that! - LordBiro
 
   
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Due to the high rate of vandalism on the main page I think we should make it semi-protected. --[[Image:Kirbman sig.png]] [[User:Kirbman|Kirbman]] 23:45, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
No problem. Re: formatting: I've been adding bits and pieces (started setting up the Mission Guides section) as I've thought of stuff. Should definitely feel free to "fix" information into a better format, especially mine. ;p -nunix/rood
 
   
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:According to Wikia, they'd prefer that Main Pages not be protected. Though I agree with you, I don't much know of what very few others would think. Most editors have left to go to guildwiki and very few (gwkuku, Amy, Randomtime, and I) remain. I may have forgotten a few more, but that's all I know. Tried to run for a sysop position to help fight against vandalism, etc. Just with so few editors, it pretty much got one support and well it failed. [[User_talk:Ariyen|Ariyen]] 23:50, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
Hehe, I think I'm going to have to go through some of the things I've "stubbed" :)
 
   
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:I don't know how that would work for the 'update' links. On a related note: you added the missions again, but I recall that they are out of sync, so the wrong ones are displayed - I'll check later. Mendel took them out for that reason - I assume we don't have the right combination of permissions/competence to update the routine. [[User:GW-Kuku|GW-Kuku]] 10:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
== skill stubs? ==
 
 
How do I add skills to the skills catagory? -Cirdan
 
 
== re: skill stubs ==
 
 
hi cirdan, i've been meaning to write how you expand on a stub, but haven't got round to it yet :)
 
 
if you edit the page you'll see that there's a line that says <nowiki>{{Skill-stub}}</nowiki>. Leave that in for the time being, then put in any information you like about the skill! One you're done, if you think you have enough information then put in the line <nowiki>[[Category:Skills]]</nowiki> to include it in the Skills category, and take out the bit of text that says <nowiki>{{Skill-stub}}</nowiki>. This will remove the article's "stub" status, and put it into the Skills category :)
 
 
alternatively if you don't think you have enough info on the skill yet then you can leave the <nowiki>{{Skill-stub}}</nowiki> there :)
 
 
there's no real harm if you do either, if someone disagrees they can easily modify it in the future :)
 
 
on another note i've been thinking about whether we could make greater use of templates for some articles. Wikipedia use templates to add information to pages in a standard way. For example, if you look at the pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver Beaver] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodpecker Woodpecker] you can see they both have the same little box on the side, the template for which can be found at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxobox Taxobox]. This would be really useful to have on details about all kinds of things in Guild Wars, most obviously the inhabitants of Guild Wars. I think using templates might help bring together a lot of the pages in this wiki!
 
 
- LordBiro
 
 
== using templates ==
 
 
Ok, I gave this templates thing a go, the results can be seen on [[Resurrect]], still working on cleaning it up a bit :) The skill template is pretty useless really, just a small one to test if I understand templates properly :) but still will be useful in tidying up pages - LordBiro
 
 
PS. just looking, wikipedia does this in a slightly different way. If i have time tomorrow I will improve on the template so that it can be more easily customised.
 
 
Awesome! I like where this is headed. ~ Gravewit
 

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damn copycats, if this wiki. damn

The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.232.251.204 (talk • contribs) 20:05, February 22, 2011 (UTC).

May I inform you that GuildWiki existed before wiki.guildwars.com? The community has moved on to guildwiki.org now, and if you check the history of some prophecies pages there or here, you'll find they're older than their GuildWars Wiki counterparts. --◄mendel► 21:40, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. However, they're all wikis and to scream copycat is ridiculous. Especially when many have and may edit some of the same pages on more than one wiki. Just there are differences in details, etc. between the wikis. Ariyen 21:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Attribute vs. Attitude

There is no theme where attitude would fit better then attribute - and whithout such a theme using such, even small, pieces of mockery appear more like trolling then anythhing. Sorry to say so.

As for 'theme, if fanfiction is the new path I suggest focussing the main page on the stories of the game, with only a few entries into the mechanics site of the game. Maybe invite players to write a story around yesterday's (or last weeks) Zaishen Bounty/xxx and off course, once those do get written, a few sentences from the most recent of such stories.

Meanwhile, random nonsense like this will put off anyone who happens to drfit near this wikia. Unless off course that is the intention. Amy Awien 18:07, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's fan fiction, are you seriously that blind? Oh my goodness, go to guildwiki or the official , if you want it to be "completely" official and no fan fic. It says fanfic. There is a section on the side of the page asking for more fan fiction stories, etc. Seriously, guildwiki moved. It was discussed and I'm sorry you missed out. Ariyen 19:43, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Here let me quote for you "Welcome to GuildWars Wikia ,an 'unofficial fanfic' wiki for ArenaNet's Competitive Online RPG, Guild Wars." bolded the parts, in case you missed it.
And the site msg, "May has been officially declared "fandom month" here on GuildWars Wikia. Please post your best GuildWars fanfic or fan artor video!" Ariyen 19:47, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
FYI to anyone here who has same issue as Amy... It was given permission by Mendel in Irc to do the Main Page into a fan fiction. If you have a problem with any fan fiction, take it up with Mendel, but do note the quotes. This wiki is a fan fiction wiki now, the Guild Wiki Team moved from here and so all of the actual documentation are relocated and on their pages. There's also the official wiki that handles actual documentation, we don't need to be a third, hence fan fic, turning some of the actual information like Nicholas the Traveler into some fan fiction, while still holding basic facts in a fictional way. I know we appreciate the help, but I don't think we need problems or issues. This community has "shrunk" and is barely surviving on the few that edit here. Ariyen 20:19, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
You seriously need to work on your attitude, 'blind'? I suggest you lighten up and communicate in a normal way.
I have not seen any argument as to why attitude fits better with a fan-fiction oriented site then attribute.
Btw, have you written any guildwars fan-fiction here? Just curious.
Amy Awien 20:34, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I have done other pages on here besides the main page. I mentioned one of them above. Btw, you're the one needing to lighten up, not me. :-) I'm here to have fun and do "fictional" work, like updates to things in a fictional way.
Btw, attitude goes with Kung fu, sort of a hint at the attitudes people were having in game on their professions, be it assassin, elementalist, monk, etc... I don't think I need to explain myself further to one whom is sadly, but clearly blind to fan fiction, also one who questions another's work on fan fiction with out clear knowledge of fan fiction. :-) Ariyen 21:17, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

I am undenting so maybe we can return to the issue, the use of attribute vs. attitude. The use of the word attitude, is misplaced, it normally refers to how one thinks or feels about something. Better alternatives for the word attribute could be quality, feature, proficiency or skill. Amy Awien 11:35, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

I think what Ariyen may be referring to is the meaning the arrangement of the parts of a body or figure : posture, which does play some role in kung fu However, it would probably be nicer if a simile could be found out of the game world - maybe something referring to the monastery in Factions, or to the Asura. --◄mendel► 13:30, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
Mhh, posture and attitude can have similar meanings, I am not familiar with Kung Fu thing though, wp mentiones stances, but they have a very specific meaning in GW. Would Chi or Qi be something, but that doesn't appear in GW, I think ....Amy Awien 14:42, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
Seems like there's no better word than Attitude. I've tried thinking up other "better" words that'd be fan fiction, wouldn't fit with any other guild wars wiki, but would fit to this wiki, fan fiction, and guild wars. I know faction is loosely based off the Asian cultures, that's where Kung Fu came from. Attitude to me fit the everyday people in the game and of how most seem to act. Why you'd have some complaining about not getting to play with others. Some complaining things are over powered, etc. Plus that word I considered for the character attitudes like Cynn and her always wanting to burn things, The emotes used, and more that happen in the world of Guild Wars. After all, Attribute is used on GuildWiki and using that would be going back the old way. I don't think we'd want to be the same as any other wiki and be different. Guild Wiki moved from here, this is now Guild Wars Wikia and I think it's cool to have a bit of uniqueness. Ariyen 17:04, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Semi Protect

Due to the high rate of vandalism on the main page I think we should make it semi-protected. --Kirbman sig Kirbman 23:45, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikia, they'd prefer that Main Pages not be protected. Though I agree with you, I don't much know of what very few others would think. Most editors have left to go to guildwiki and very few (gwkuku, Amy, Randomtime, and I) remain. I may have forgotten a few more, but that's all I know. Tried to run for a sysop position to help fight against vandalism, etc. Just with so few editors, it pretty much got one support and well it failed. Ariyen 23:50, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how that would work for the 'update' links. On a related note: you added the missions again, but I recall that they are out of sync, so the wrong ones are displayed - I'll check later. Mendel took them out for that reason - I assume we don't have the right combination of permissions/competence to update the routine. GW-Kuku 10:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)