Talk: Norn Title Track

"Defeating each Norn in an area for the first time results in 25 Norn reputation points. (This can only be done once per Norn per area. This can however be repeated if you are with a player who hasn't fought that Norn yet.)" Just tested this with a friend who bought GWEN today. While you will get the message that says your reputation improved, the bar will make no progress. Going to remove the notice. RavenValcone 00:38, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

easy way to get it to talk at shrine for one,fight,rezone and repeat!

This doesn't work. Once you beat a Norn warrior, they will simply hand out the Blessing instead of fighting you again.Cyruis 16:11, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

There is one missing - Slayer of Wurms - Darko

How do people know all the way up to the final rank already? If this title is THAT eaisly farmed, let me know, I didn't preorder. 75.45.81.201 13:20, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

I knew because one of the people wouldn't offer their services to me unless I had "slayer of wurms", It wasn't up here so that's why i said - Darko

Slayer of Heroes?

Ok, so trying to talk to the armor guy and he says you must be Slayer of Heroes to talk to him... Anyone made it there yet lol? --Cvmyawg 16:23, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Let's hope it follows Demons, for a mere 80000-1000000 reputation. I'm expecting elite armour, and it had better look cool.

It doesnt - Yellow Monkey 19:32, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Displaying the title raises your maximum health according to Tyr the Skald in Gunnar's Hold -Enkil

Confirmed. Slayer of Imps gives you +53 max healthAfroThunder396 21:51, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Confirmed. Slayer of nightmares gives +63 max health, this suggests that slayer of beasts gives +58 Tera arcane 03:55, 25 August 2007 (GMT)

Slayer of Beasts is +60hp 65.41.245.139 23:57, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

theres a bug with this health boost...my guildie and I currently do not have the health boost, and 2 other guildies do have it, i have the highest rank among them as well and yet no boost to health. on a slightly odd note we have noticed the 2 guildies having the health bonus are female chars, and the two that dont have the health bonus are male chars O.o gender bias?

Talk to the norn storyteller. It's like lightbringer. Getting the points isn't enough, you need to be given the effect. --24.179.151.252 06:04, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

And where is the Norn Storyteller ? Foo 07:14, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

Gunnar's Hold Jebus 07:27, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, already found him. Foo 10:44, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

And you have to wear that tittle to get bonus too! Jope16 18:22, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

R8 is 80k!

Someone in my guild hit rank 7. She took this screenshot (allowed me to post it) http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r177/ember01010/yayayayayaa.jpg As you can see, r8 is 80k. She says it's "Slayer of Champions". Added it to the wiki page - Yellow Monkey 17:24, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm just being curious, but any way you could find out what materials she needed to craft her Norn armor? (and how much it cost per piece?) Solis 14:02, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Farm Location

Currently the only viable farm is Curse of the Nornbear yields 500/15 minutes to all profession, however if you're the lucky proffession (soloable) go tourny with invinciable build and you can earn more. Those prof only includes:

• 55 Monk
• 55 Necro
• 130 Derv or any Mystic Regen Derv
• Critical Defense Sin or SF Sin

Mostly you cant always beat it such as Mesmer usually troubles the build above except SF sin Kullwarrior

I must disagree with this, I was able to beat nearly every opponent (bison included) with a Mesmer. The build I used is my secret though ^.^. --71.98.100.170 14:03, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

i can beat everyone in the tournament with the same build on my ele. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090 (contribs). 00:38, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

-Easiest thing I found is just kill everything in Drakkar Lake...yeah, kill it all. Once you get the blessing, just start killing, if you get to 100 kills and haven't reacked Hunting Rank 2, talk to another Norn, the key is trying to wait until the very end to talk to the rest of the Norn. The more kills you have when talking to them, the more points they will give you. There is also a chance of getting a double points blessing along the way, and a blessing where is you kill 10 enemies within 60 seconde you get a bonus 200 Norn points. Also, every 25 kills you will recieve a random bonus, such as the blessings or bonus Norn points (I recieved a bonus of 300 points when i had about 200 or so kills). This is much faster than Nornbear farming.

I like the idea, but could you sound a little less evil? =P "Just kill everything in drakkar lake...yeah, kill it all...just start killing". I'll take your advice because judging from what i've seen, the only good armor for rangers in the Norn stuff!--Darksyde Never Again 16:55, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Alt Farm Location

The best farm location is the Falls just outside Oalfstead. Going around the map in a big loop you can get 425+ kills easily, I got to slayer of wurms in about 4 hours just by doing this, with a few points off from Slayer of Demons. The only rough patch is the undead circle but that can be dealt with by careful pulling.

Yeah I just completly cleared Varajar Falls for a total of 487 kills and almost 6k norn reputation, took me about an hour. 70.247.245.236 19:22, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

listing each "form"s skills

I don't think that all of the skills for each "form" - Ursan, Raven, Volfen - should be listed here, since they don't appear in your skill list and can't be equipped directly on your skill bar. At the very least, they should be put in a subsection with a note stating that. —Dr Ishmael 18:20, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

I agree. Foo 19:24, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

No, you can earn those skills by a quest giver who's out on Drakkar Lake. They are earnable skills. 150.135.23.31 13:23, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

They're not talking about the Blessings themselves, but the skills those blessings give you. Yes, list the Blessings, but their skillsets should be on the pages for the Blessings, not here. --Shattered Self 19:47, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Shatter speaks truth.[1]--Darksyde Never Again 23:01, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Slayer of Chuck Norris

Are you freaking kidding me? If that's true then this title is THE title to max. --Blue.rellik 23:41, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

Official Wiki has it as "Slayer of Immortals", which would make it another Highlander reference. It can't be Slayer of Chuck Norris, Anet would get sued into the ground. :P Arshay Duskbrow 23:54, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

Nuts :( --Blue.rellik 23:55, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

so I herd u leik putting their name to the test. [[2]] Pushbiscuit 23:02, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

Isn't Immortals like synonymous with Chuck Norris (though to a lesser degree, he's beyond your average Immortal)? --Gimmethegepgun 20:25, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Chuck Norris isn't immortal. He's Chuckortal. There's a big difference. --Macros 20:27, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Bruce Lee is Immortal. Chuck is Forgettable. There's a bigger difference. --Kajex Firedrake 07:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Rank 9/10 Names

There's a bit of a revert war going on: sometimes r9 says "Slayer of Gods" and r10 says "Slayer of Immortals"; other times, r9 is "Slayer of Hordes" and r10 is "???". Can we get a screenshot, preferably from someone who's r9 so we get both titles? --Shattered Self 09:10, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

No one can get r9 until Hard Mode comes out for EotN, r8 is currently the highest you can get it

You could get R9 theoretically R10, Completeing Quests still add points to the title when the blessings stop and repeatedly completing the Dungeon guide will get you upto rank 9 eventually, wouldnt recomend anyone do it though.

No points are awarded for redoing quests or books once you reach rank 8. Vezz 20:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop putting the name for rank 10 untill either A-net announces it or someone can [provide a screen shot

Rampage Bonus

Something not brought up here that I could find is the other effects of the rampage bonus... it doubles the norn points given to you by the shine npc's, as well as doubling boss kill points. As an R6 right now, farming ~The Path to Revelations~ quest, if I manage to trigger a rampage and kill the facets, I'm making 3k for the facets alone. Hope they don't take a nerf bat to that... ;) Devon Wylde 18:31, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

The possible horror of no hard mode

Now i'm not saying it is gonna end up like this, but what if the only way to advance to rank 9/10 was to continually complete Hero's Handbooks/Master Dungeon Guides and turn them in for rep o.O 4.253.79.108 21:19, 15 September 2007 (CDT)Nate Xplosion

You cant turn them in after you hit rank 8. Gandorf 21:20, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

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This is sad

I have done every norn quest. And the dungeons that give norn points. And every possible way of getting points short of farming. And I'm still thousands of points away from R5 and Norn armor. The thing I loved about guild wars originally was that it was a cool, fun online RPG without the huge flaw so many rpgs have, the need for farming for access to things. Yes, in the original games 15k armor was expensive, but that could be earned by just playing the game. I know from experience. But slowly as more campaigns have been released, a need for farming was more and more emphesised. And now with the addition of these title tracks, this is taken to a new extreme. Norn/Asura/Dwarven/Vanguard Armor shouldn't have to be farmed for. I could understand if you could only get armor at lvl 3 or even 4, because those are achevable by going through the norn lands and doing all quests and no/minimal farming. But upon reaching 16,000 norn points you are still 10,000 points away, with no way of getting more points short of handing in a hero's handbook (7.5k left) and then turning to farming dungeons or clearing areas over and over again. You can't get points further than this by simply playing through the game.--Annonymous

I actualy don't mind farming, per se, as it gives me an excuse to go out and just kill things which I enjoy but didn't really do in the past because it wasn't really productive. The only part that I don't like is that my favorite place to kill things is Dalada Uplands but I need Asura points more than Vanguard. And there is alot of caster hate in Asura lands. —♥Jedi♥Rogue♥ 18:48, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Magus Stones is where I farmed Asura points. I did four clears and actually found it pretty fun. I don't usually like just plain going out and killing stuff. --128.195.73.172 19:37, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

@ mr anon, Magus stones is a good place for asura points while vanguard points are pretty good in any of the areas, there is a very very little amount of options. Norn is by far the easiest, Varajar fells in 1 hour can get you 2000-3000 points. It's also very easy, I could keep a hunt rampage (combined with all hunting parties, not hard gives 10 points a skill) for over 250 kills. It's quite the opposite from sad, it's more like: doing work from doing nothing extra from the base. In the original games, 15k armor meant slogging for some time in high end elite areas where the gold drops are just as much in GWEN. Also, you had to get there to the 15k armor areas, which of most were in distant places or had you to finish a campaign's endgame to get the area. When you mean "sad" you either mean: By actually contributing to a title, getting a runner and such to get to a skewered and faraway place or simple of all: doing actual "work", yes, it's a game but you may actually have to use the fabled "effort". In fact, I think there's less work required than in other games MMORPG like WoW which gave us the word for the term "smashing your head in the monitor for taking forever to reach to a certain point accepted by the majority" a.k.a grinding. If you didn't need effort to achieve a level, then GW would be too easy. The same effort you use to beat DoA or FoW is the same effort you use to bother getting armors and titles in GWEN. Very likely people will say i'm harsh or so on, but I have no patience for people who moan about things, the game never tells you to do any of the things (getting 15k armor, doing UW, FoW), it is a matter of prestige from getting up from the crowd and saying "No, i'll actually bother to differ from the path and do something to attain something people work hard to get." Flechette 20:14, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Flechette-I would in fact argue that I strayed from the norm in order to get to where I am. It was not neciccary in the least to go and do all the norn quests. You needed to do about 5 if I recall. There are many more you can seek out, and get no where with. And in regards to your Fissure comment, this is not the Fissure of woe armor. This is the same level of armor as 15k Kurzick; 15k faction armor. You didn't need to work this hard to get that armor, as there were effective methods that were challenging but fun that got us to 10k Kurzick faction, such as quests and pvp which rewarded hundreds of points at a time and was enjoyable. Now you do all the quests (fun), and you're stuck thousands of points away from armor with no fun alternative like allience battle. Yes there's Norn fighting tournament but that awards at most maybe 50 points a run. I just think a simple solution would be to make everything available at r3 or 4, so you would still have to go out of your way, but not have to grind an excessive amount (just taking bounties during quest gets you fairly close to r3.5 so you would need a little farming and maybe some norn fighting tournaments. I understand I sound like I'm whining but I'm just a little frustrated Anet would turn to grinding with respect to this title. --Annonymous

Uh...I got all the way to R3 during the Sneak Preview Weekend, and that was only about 2 days of playing. I dunno what your definition of "Grind"/"Farm" is, but this isn't it for me. Hell, if it was this easy to get Kurz/Lux Faction...It certainly takes some effort to get Title Track-based armor in EotN, but just reacking R1 for the Kurz/Lux is very difficult through the normal course of PvE. For the EotN titles, you don't have to do much outside the storyline to reach the Consumables rank, and the rest is just a few hours or days of good hard work. Money is also a nice incentive. And you wouldn't want to make everyone who already has the armor, feel gipped if they make it too easy to get, eh? (T/C) 06:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Tell the guy who got Norn Monk Armor during the preview weekend that he technically couldn't have done that because it's too hard.

ANet has stated multiple times on this subject before; they never said there would never be grinding in the game. As a matter of fact, there are many people who enjoy grinding. You want max armor? Buy max armor. You want max weapons? Buy them, or just wait for one to drop. It's not hard to find something you can use during the course of the game. Want to hit level 20? Also easy enough. That's about everything important in the game, with no grinding. These armors are to reward those people that do like the grind, and are willing to spend hours working up to a simple armor set, which only has the effect of looking cool. If you can't stand grinding, then why are you trying so hard to get something that's there for people that do enjoy it? The other option is to remove grinding from the game entirely; now everything in the game is easy to get for everyone, you lose the prestige and the purpose of getting most items, and wow, look how quickly people lose interest in the game. Time to play PvP until GW2 comes out, I suppose. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 06:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Everything that's important (1k armor, max dmg weapons, level 20, skills) are easy to get. You want something better? You have to play the game more. — Poki#3 , 18:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Simply clearing a zone upon first visiting it (and thus exploring it), and taking the time to kill things along the way while I was out doing quests netted me rank 4 (almost rank 5) in the preview weekend. Specifically the last day of the weekend, as I was too busy to do anything on Friday or Saturday. And I didn't finish all the quests before the event ended either. It's absurdly easy to get to tier 5, if they'd kept the tier 7 requirement you'd see a lot more complaints, though that itself isn't unduly hard. -Gildan Bladeborn 17:52, 4 October 2007

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Actually I agree with the original poster. Yes, you shouldn't be able to get max armor if all you do is go through the primary mission line. And hell, I'll even say doing all the norn quests should get you within distance but not quite there. But being 10,000 retuptation points away after you finished all the quests is just ludicrous. I mean seriously, I enjoy guild wars and playing an hour or two every night but I don't feel like I need to play an ungodly amount of time just to get high level armor. I mean look at Prophecies, Marhan's Grotto was a short run away from Thunderhead. Yes in Factions, faction was needed to buy armor, but you got this through the main game, and all your characters could take advantage of it. In Nightfall, it was easiest as high level armor was readily available as you progressed through the main campain. My point is, I shouldn't have to farm the same are 4-5 times just to get enough reputation to buy armor. After doing the primary mission sequence, all the norn quests, and exploring the entire Northern Shiverpeaks regions, I feel that I should have high enough "reputation" for the Norns to sell me their armor. If not that, then at least tie additional reputation points to doing things like clearing dungeons. In any case, its not gonna deter me (I want that norn ranger armor) but it is just annoying that I have to spend alot of time farming these relatively non-challening areas -Mo

The thing is though, you don't need to farm for hours to get high-end armor. Just get different high-end armor. Like you already mentioned, there are other high-end armor sets out there, that are easier to reach / afford; there's nothing about those sets that's worse then EotN armor, right? So why bother?

Currently, if EotN Armor has more prestige then other high-end sets, it's because of the farming requirement. Remove the farming, and suddenly people don't want the armor as much anymore. That's a "if I can't have it, then nobody should" mentality there, if you still think it should have a reduced requirement. And that's really not fair to people who are willing to farm for it, or already have farmed for it, or simply want something they can really work towards. (and it's not even that much work, I haven't farmed much, and I'm a few hundred points short of R5 Ebon Vanguard. Just cleared Uplands a few times, while working on quests there at the same time.) -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 05:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused to how this is a "If I can't have it, nobody should" mentality" if the title requirement is lowered a little bit. From 5-4 is just 1 level, but is much more effective. And how is "go buy another prestige armor set" a solution? Are you saying that if you don't want to grind and spend hours at a time clearing the same area, then don't buy EOTN armor? That's a ridiculous suggestion. If you do all norn quests, clear a few areas, and do the dungeons in Norn land, then you are about rank 4, and have done everything the game has put out for you to do in Norn territory. And that's a good level. But to have to grind 10,000 faction? Thats rediculous. Don't give me the some people enjoy grinding excuse. Not 1 person in the game i've met since I began guild wars in May 2005, has said they enjoy grinding. If they want to raise the bar of requirement, then make better rewards for Dungeons; make more quests; but don't turn to grinding! Every single armor set in the 3 campaigns was achiveable by doing quests and missions, short of FoW which shouldn't be comparable to standard prestige armor. -141.155.124.46 23:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Just playing through the game, then hand in your Hero's Handbook should be well enough to get you to the rank required to get one of the EotN armors. If not, I've got no idea how you're playing. 193.44.6.146 13:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Rank 5 Norn title; 26,000 faction. One complete Hero's Handbook; 20,000 faction. To finish the campaign you go through all the quests in a heroes handbook. Raising a single title to rank 5 is incredibly easy. Raising more than one is harder, but the fact of the matter is that you can pick any one faction and do that easily. Ezekiel [Talk] 13:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Slayer of Norn

I found out what last title is. Slayer of Norn and takes 150,000 points. I don't have an account, so you don't know this is, but you may see me around in GW. Have fun knowing last title! -??????

Whoops!!

Whoops!! It's 200,000!! Sorry.

Do we play games or "work" games? I go to work every day but usually wish I could stay home to play guild wars or do what ever else. However if playing means mindlessly farming/grinding the same things over and over I would rather go to work. It just takes the fun out of it. If the intent was to make players put more effort in for the rewards then make more quests or missions so we dont mush our brains on the same scenery again and again.AC1 22:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)RB

Work is mindless farming/grinding... --Soulflame 12:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Slayer of All Confirmed

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slayerofallue6.jpg Omnidragon42 22:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Slayer of 'All'? That's... kind of stupid. 'Gods' or 'Immortals' would've been far more powerful sounding. Wulfgast 18:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The simplicity of it is awsome, I can't wait to max out.

Put this Title name to (LAME) ive seen Monkeys writing beter poetry than Anets dumb naming

apparently you can buy missing pages for 100 gold each but ive tried every speech option and i just cant get tyr the Skaald to do that for me, can anyone help?

You can only buy pages for quests or dungeons you have already done and only if you didn't have a book with you at the time. (not sure how old this is, can't be bothered to look into history) -Ezekiel 04:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

hello i'd like to get norn armour for my ritualist but i realy do not know of a good way to farm the points can any 1 help me out plz ????

definately slayer of all, seen someone with it. — ~Soqed Hozi~ 11:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The Path to Revelations

FFS can't we get this right? First it said it was 50 rep per Facet. Then I changed it to say 100 rep. And now it says 75 rep. Who the frack is right? I've got a screenshot to back up my numbers...if you all can't get one to show yours then we have an issue here. (T/C) 03:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Notice how I only have one rank of Norn Hunting Party blessing up, not Boss Bounty or anything else, so that isn't causing the discrepancy. (T/C) 04:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It's determined by how many monsters you have killed before killing a boss. Clearing the whole area before killing the boss would over 150pts --Blue.rellik 04:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

What? Well then I'm even more confused. Is it 50 or 75 as the base? (T/C) 04:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe 50 is the base --Blue.rellik 04:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay! Then it goes back to 50. Ugh >.> (T/C) 04:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Fuck it, I don't care anymore, whatever numbers you think are right...50...75... (T/C) 04:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I tested it just then on Johon the Oxflinger. I made sure that he was the first thing I killed and I received 50 rep for killing him. I'll check it on the dragons now --Blue.rellik 04:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Just checked, killing a boss in nm gives a base of 50 rep, 75 in HM --Blue.rellik 05:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty then, the issue wasn't the NUMBERS, it was whether or not we were in HARD MODE. Jeez, you'd think it wouldn't be so complicated >.> (T/C) 05:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

This need not be complicated. The amount of reputation points you get when killing a boss depends on how many monsters you have killed so far when you killed the boss. This implies the boss reputation points will vary. The least amount of points you can ever get from killing a boss is 50. This is true whether in normal or hard mode.

team build to get 250+ mobs for the farm?

Hi!

From the page, you can easily accumulate over 6k rep points a run (this will take approx 30-35 minutes).. but I simply CAN'T do it in less than 1h30 (if I'm lucky)..

Did someone known a team build to archieve this time? (I'm a warrior)..

Thanks.. :-)

— Corsaire 13:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

6x Ursan + 2x HB Monk. Go to Olafsted (sp) and I'm sure you'll find a party. — Poki#3 , 18:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanx.. I'll look there.. :) — Corsaire 20:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Farming locations

Can there be a list for best areas to farm points. The path of revelations shouldn't be the only choice since people only except +8/+9 there from what ive seen.--Relyk 04:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

See, I play as a monk, so people don't give a damn what rank I am :P Doing dungeons + turning in the hero's handbook from beating EotN are both good ways to earn points. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(talk) 04:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dungeons? Not so much... the 1st time maybe... Anyway, the TPOR quest is the best way to get Norn points. If you're bored, go vanquishing, and fill in a HM Hero's Handbook. The Handbook is probably the best way to get Rep points for any race (second only to this quest and probably the Snowmen. Dwarf points are very easy to get anyway...) — Poki#3 , 04:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Double reputation weekend making it too easy

While doing the path revelations run and vanquishing the area at the same time I managed to get over 9,000 reputation points in 3 minutes from the bosses. I had both the benefits of boss bounty and the double reputation weekend. In just 2 runs both taking a little over 1 hour or 1,5 hours I got about 46,000 norn points easily giving me the title slayer of all. Now I just don't think that it was meant to be attainable in 3 hours if you're like 40,000 from maxing it. Even tough I benefited from the double rep. weekend I think thats making the titles a bit too easy :P Alatar the Red 06:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Path of Revelations farm not so easy

I couldn't figure out why the guide says that a run should only take 35 minutes, when I have to spend an hour or more to get the 250 kills. I then went to the discussion page to see what I could find. The answer was in the Ursanway build. Sounds fantastic, except that the Ursanway was nerfed a long time ago. So is this still the fastest way to farm rep points? --Jdram14 22:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Theres probably something else, but there is w:c:pvx:Build:Team - HNPF — Balistic

Alright, well I tried that out and it worked great. The real problem is that while it may be the fastest way to farm norn point, it's also the most boring. >.< Back to filling out books. --Jdram14 06:08, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I suspect 35 minutes is an optimal time rather than typical. Similarly, the 7 minutes that the original poster gave for the Facets only is also optimal. (Killing the Facets is trivial; waiting for them to spawn is nearly 5 minutes and I doubt most teams could reach the quest site in 2 minutes b/c of the Ice Elementals and Griffons.) I have run the farm recently with a guildie, once when we went forward with 150 kills (proof of concept) and later with 350+ kills. They both took around just over an hour and we got lost, etc.

I'm going to change estimates to 70 minutes (for 250+ kills) and 10 minutes (for Facets alone); this keeps the math the same and gives ppl a more realistic estimate of the time.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

In the run for just the facets, I believe most people simply do the hero farm instead of actually going themselves. They grab the norn hunt from Olgana at the shrine, then sac themselves and direct their heroes to go do the job. In this way, the run only actually does take 4-6 minutes. Oddly, despite the hero farm being the new fastest method (I gather this from the general opinion of those I've spoken to), it isn't mentioned on the page.

By the way. I'm currently filling out a Hero's Handbook (Hardmode) and having a blast. It hasn't taken be very long and I don't see the same scenery every 4-6 minutes. Of all the time that I've put towards filling out this new book, I've probably only put in 4 leisurely paced hours and half the book is done. Another few hours and I'll turn it in for 30k. Seems pretty profitable, especially once you roll in drops value. --Jdram14 19:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not following your description of the shortcut. How does sacrificing the player(s) allow the heroes to pass more quickly through the Griffons, Golems, and Vaettir? And, as far as I know, there's no way to decrease the downtime between the appearance of the bosses. 10 minutes also allows time for all that plus rezoning 3x ( → Tarnished Haven → Battledepths → Varajar). (Dispatching the bosses is probably the fastest part of the farm.)

Personally, I preferred my hour spent earning 20k Norn using Revelations vs having to repeat Blood Washes Blood ever again. If I decide to max titles on another toon, I'll consider the multiple books method (repeat the mission over and over, rotating through the books). For now, I'm not skilled or seasoned enough to do that efficiently.   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)