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I've noticed that recently, a lot of the pages have progressions leading up to 20. I know 19 is reachable by a few means (Awaken the Blood + Focus or Glyph + Focus), but how does one reach 20? Furthermore, it's been showing up in places that don't have a +2 modifying spell (Healing Prayers, for example). Is this necessary, or should progressions be edited to reflect the actual maximum? --Rustjive 03:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

A wiseman once told us that if you wield two +1 items at the same time (wand + focus item) then there is a 4% chance they will kick in at the same time and he claimed that if they do, you will get +2 in the desired attribute. So, coupled with Elemental power, Superior Rune and +1 headgear, you get to attribute level 20 on steriods. :)
As you noted this is only possible for 4 Ele attributes and a couple of Necro ones. For the other ones, they should be up to the most possible under the law. Though be mindful that there is a template used on some pages that may force the table to be up to 20. Feel free to remove the template as it never really caught on. --Karlos 08:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I dunno if you meant my templates or the one that came before it, but the older one doesn't exist anymore and mine goes to 19. --Fyren 08:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
We took out Progression and Progression2? I thought I saw someone using them somewhere. Ignore me. :) --Karlos 08:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I appropriated those names. --Fyren 09:18, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know why sometimes I just lose the -5, but some other times I lose -5 -5? I'm thinking it might have to do with how close I'm standing. And yes, it is just -5 if you're knocking down multiple foes. [18 air] --Tinarto 18:55, 5 May 2006 (CDT)

Yeah, I know why. It's because you're either using Conjure Lightning or Lightning Touch with it. Conjure Lightning does additional lightning damage that's counted separately from the lightning damage from your wand attack, and Lightning Touch will do initial lightning damage and extra lightning damage if there's a water hex on the target. Thunderclap will be triggered on each source of lightning damage. --Tjoneil 22:14, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
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